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    Elder Rule and Church Discipline, Questions

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    Summary

    This lesson continues a two-part study on elder rule and church discipline, rooted in the image of Jesus as our Great Shepherd. We are reminded that God’s reproof is always connected to life and restoration, not punishment. The lesson walks through the biblical grounds for church discipline, the four steps outlined in Matthew 18, and the prerequisite of personal spiritual health before engaging in corporate discipline.

    Key Lessons:

    1. God’s reproof and discipline are always connected to life—we should associate reproof with life just as we associate repentance with refreshing.
    2. Church discipline follows a clear four-step process (private confrontation, witnesses, telling the church, removal), and the goal at every step is restoration, not removal.
    3. Biblical eldership is not one option among many for church leadership—it is God’s design, rooted in shared authority and mutual accountability.
    4. Individual spiritual health and daily communion with God through His Word is the foundational prerequisite for healthy corporate discipline.

    Application: We are called to cultivate teachable spirits that receive reproof as a gift rather than an insult. We should examine our own lives before God daily, maintain vital accountability relationships, and have the courage to lovingly confront brothers and sisters in sin according to the biblical pattern—not shrinking back from this responsibility out of fear or cultural pressure.

    Discussion Questions:

    1. How do you typically respond when someone corrects or reproves you—do you receive it as a gift or react defensively? What would it look like to cultivate a more teachable spirit?
    2. Have you ever been in a situation where you knew a brother or sister was in sin but hesitated to say anything? What held you back, and how does this lesson challenge that hesitation?
    3. How does the image of Jesus as the shepherd rescuing a sheep change the way you think about the process of church discipline?

    Scripture Focus: Proverbs 6:23, 10:17, 15:31 (reproof and life); Matthew 18:15-22 (the four steps of discipline); 1 Corinthians 5:1-13 (addressing sin in the body); 1 Corinthians 11:27-32 (the Lord’s Supper and self-examination); Galatians 6:1 (restoring in gentleness); 1 John 5:2 (loving God’s children by keeping His commandments)

    Outline

    Introduction

    Well, good morning and thank you from again for coming in from the cold. I think of what the scriptures talk about the the warmth and the light of God’s presence. So, we’re counting on that today literally and figuratively, are we not? Well, we continue. This is week two on elder rule and church discipline.

    And I’m so thankful for Pastor Dave putting these two together. And I hope you can see the connection as we turn our attention to Jesus, our great shepherd. And that’s where that’s where it all deres from.

    Reproof and the Path of Life

    Couple verses from scripture to get us going. Just the whole idea of how God speaks into our lives, I think is foundational for what we’re going to talk about today. So we see this, the commandment is a lamp and the teaching is light and reproofs for discipline are the way of life.

    Like to maybe expand our view a little bit today on what God’s discipline looks like. This is a good thing that’s to be regularly experienced. And I think again that’s the foundation for what we talk about with church discipline.

    He is on the path of life who heeds instruction, but he who ignores reproof goes astray.

    And then lastly from Proverbs, he who he whose ear listens to the lifegiving reproof will dwell among the wise. You notice the common element that I’ve highlighted there for us of reproof with life.

    And I think in our human nature, we don’t often associate those things. But I think the Lord would have us associate that his reproof of us, his speaking into our lives in specific ways and the means that he’s given for us to both be given and to receive reproof is the path of life for us. So I always I I I think I’ve emphasized this before. In the same way that I’d like us to associate the word repentance with refreshing, let’s always associate the word reproof with life because God does.

    “Let’s always associate the word reproof with life because God does.”

    Church Discipline as a Gospel Issue

    From James. My brothers, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

    I want us also to see today that this is a gospel issue. This is a way that we live out the gospel.

    “This is a gospel issue. This is a way that we live out the gospel.”

    I’ll say more about this later, but some of my closest relationships are owing to faithful believers doing this.

    There are there are relationships in my life that exist because of God’s faithfulness through his people and church discipline. And that’s a wonderful thing for me to reflect on.

    All right.

    The Shepherd’s Rescue Mission

    Now, I’m not always big on paintings or pictures of Jesus, but I put this one here because I want it to be present in our minds as we think about church discipline. What is Jesus doing there?

    At risk to himself, he’s rescuing a sheep who is about to be attacked. As you can see that bird in the background this this painting came to my remembrance. I I had to teach this topic to high school students at the church where Betty and I got married.

    And teaching for me, some of you have gifts in this area. You can teach youth. I I I I find it tremendously difficult. And so teaching high school students about anything I found to be difficult teaching them on this topic. I really struggled to know, Lord, how am I going to bring this across? And I was as I was walking upstairs to give this lesson, I noticed this painting on the wall and I grabbed it and I used it. So the Lord in his shephering of me helped me to bring this across and hopefully it helps you today.

    “At risk to himself, he’s rescuing a sheep who is about to be attacked.”

    So with that, let me pray for us.

    Father, would you impress upon our hearts the rescue mission that is the gospel?

    As we have come to you in repentance and faith, may we live lives of joyous and sanctifying growth as your as your word teaches, reproves, corrects, and trains us in your ways.

    Oh father, help us to be good stewards of your word. Direct our attention to your shephering of your people Israel, the great shepherd that you provide in Christ.

    Father, we praise you as your word says that you discipline us for our good.

    Why? So that we might share your holiness. What love, what generosity you have. Help us to receive that this way.

    May we even this morning experience your perfect shephering as you shepherd us, as you shepherd me, as you speak to each of us personally and perfectly in our lesson today in Jesus name. Amen. Amen.

    All right.

    Q&A: How Are Elders Held Accountable?

    So, here’s our outline. Here’s what we covered last week. We talked about elder rule and how it is a a delegated rule, if you will. It’s an expression of God’s rule as the chief shepherd over the church which he has promised to build.

    And this is a means by which he does that. And then today we’re going to I’m going to start with a little Q&A from last week. A couple of you came came to me after the lesson last week and gave me some great questions that I thought we would address.

    Pastor Dave suggested a couple others that I thought would be really helpful to cover today. Next week we’re going to be doing kind of a formal Q&A with the elders. I’ll say more about that, but for today I wanted to to start by covering just a couple specific questions that I hope are helpful to you.

    All right, so this is a great question because so the question is how is feedback given to elders and how are they held accountable? We just talked about those those opening verses about reproof and correction and as elders we need to be examples of that, right? Is it too much to say that if you’re not teachable, you won’t learn?

    I mean, that seems really obvious, but I find this is in our our human condition is pride, isn’t it? Our human condition is when someone reproves us to def by default reject that. And as Christians, we ought not do that.

    That we are we are we are limiting our growth severely when we do that. So, let me just say a few things here that’ll that’ll help. First and foremost, elders are accountable to God for both the souls of people, as it says in Hebrews 13:17, and for the content of their teaching.

    I think it was Arthur last week who pointed out, and it kind of focused me like, yeah, being accountable for the souls of people is a sobering and serious thing.

    You don’t enter into that casually. And in James, it says that those who teach are under stricter accountability, stricter judgment. So those things are real. So first and foremost that’s that’s our accountability is to God and we will have to give an account to him.

    “Elders are accountable to God for both the souls of people and the content of their teaching.”

    But secondly elders are accountable to one another in serving in a plurality with shared authority. I think we established that last week. There is no CEO per se of a church. That’s shared authority. I’m going to talk a little bit more about what that looks like in a minute. And so that comes with with wonderful accountability. I think we elders count on each other to have some hard conversations and point some things out and it’s very edifying and helpful to us. It’s hopefully very helpful to you as we sharpen one another. We have iron man which comes from the verse Proverbs 27:17.

    Iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens one another. So, we need to and we intentionally seek to do that as elders.

    How Authority and Plurality Work

    But lastly, and this is probably the answer that you’re looking for, is that elders are accountable to members of a local church as brothers in Christ. Elders are subject to and should be examples of church discipline. Right?

    So, we are we along with you are brothers and sisters in Christ. And as such, what we’re about to talk to talk about in Matthew 18, that chronology of how that works applies to all of us, including us. Now I will say in 1 Timothy 5 it there’s a certain amount of care to that where it says do not bring an accusation against an elder without the testimony of two or three witnesses.

    So there’s a there’s a particular level of care but that’s the same level of care that’s applied in church discipline to everyone. That two or three witnesses concept comes from the Old Testament and is important to apply to all. But that verse is there to apply that with particular care with with with regard to elders because of the the God-given position that that is.

    Okay. How does authority and plurality work with biblical elders? And I think David, you had asked me some questions last week that were particularly helpful here. And so we’re going to unfold this a little bit. Elders are equal in authority but different in role and function.

    I think in some ways that’s obvious. Pastor Dave and, even Pastor Bobby as he’s in in his ameritus status, they’re vocational elders, right? This is their their full-time gig. Well, with Pastor Bobby, kind of a part-time, but with you, full-time gig.

    So, that’s obvious. We can’t function the same way simply as a function of time. And that that’s just a real thing, right? We see that there is no biblical distinction between the title pastor and elder.

    And I think you’ll see more about how we seek to live that out as a church later this year. At our former church, I was known as Pastor Mark, which is a little bit of an odd adjustment for me. But I became convinced that it was biblical and people from that church still call me that and it’s very endearing and very loving.

    But that’s that’s what the scriptures say. We there’s there’s not the kind of hierarchy and rank that we tend to import from the corporate world in the church. It’s just different. And I hope we’re we’ve seen in many ways leadership in the church is very different than leadership in the world.

    Praise God for that. There are pastors, as I mentioned, Pastor Dave, worthy of double honor due to their particular labor in preaching and teaching, right? Paying pastors who do that is legitimate. It’s been there since the New Testament.

    You had a conversation with a dear friend, they’re missionaries in Asia, dear friend that I graduated from college with. Oh, there’s no vocational pastors in the New Testament. Wow, really? And we kind of talked this through a little bit and they hadn’t really considered that.

    “There’s not the kind of hierarchy and rank that we tend to import from the corporate world in the church.”

    I think I think they were referring to some of the be the abuses that can come with that. And I know we’re all tempted to to look at because there’s a lot of negative examples of leadership in the world, aren’t there? Good leadership is is let’s just be honest, it’s rare. But we dare not import those negative examples and say, “Well, these things aren’t true.” Because God has given us an ideal to follow that we don’t all fulfill perfectly, but we’re we’re moving toward by God’s grace.

    Why Not Female Pastors or Elders?

    Shared leadership is an established biblical pattern. We see it starting with Moses and the elders of Israel. We see it with Jesus and the 12 disciples and the apostles and the elders and local churches.

    It’s just a it’s just an undeniable pattern of shared leadership and it’s it’s just beautiful to see God’s design. Have you any of you heard the phrase the Moses model? Some churches follow the Moses model of leadership.

    It’s basically where the pastor is the head guy and he can appoint and dismiss pas elders at will. Most Calvary chapels actually operate this way which I found interesting. Right. But the Moses model, it’s not a model.

    And it is if if it is a model, it died with Moses. It is not something that we see in scriptures. So that’s really important to notice that pattern. And it’s and it’s a beautiful thing. There’s so much beauty and protection because it it has mutual accountability and it points to Jesus as the chief shepherd.

    And we want to do that intentionally. None of us, as I said last week, is all that. Here’s one that I think is more controversial in other environments than maybe here. At our former church, we had a lot of young believers coming in. They this is this was a big question. Why don’t you have female pastors or elders?

    So 1 Timothy 2:12, look look at at this with me because this is this is really important. This is an item that’s really, I think, under attack quite a bit in various churches even among some churches that are more aligned with us doctrally and and otherwise teach really well. Let me get there. 1 Timothy 2 verses 12- 14. Get there.

    But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first formed, and then Eve, and it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived fell into trespass. Now, we read that and in this culture and in this cultural moment, we feel the tension just reading that, don’t we?

    Because the cultural air we breathe hates this. Okay. But and people will say, well, this was a it’s a culturally bound requirement. It goes back to the first century. And God, knowing that there would be that objection, says in his word that it relates to both the creation mandate and the fall. It goes back to the beginning. That’s the foundation. It’s not culturally bound at all. Now what we have to remember with this is that male male headship is limited to marriage and to church leadership. It doesn’t mean that every woman is to be submissive to every man.

    “Male headship is limited to marriage and to church leadership. It doesn’t mean every woman is to be submissive to every man.”

    Does not mean that. Some environments will teach that. Islam teaches that. No, that’s and and some some traditions teach that. That is not what this teaches.

    It is reflective of both the trinitarian nature of God. We saw that last week.

    And the gospel. So when it says in 1 Corinthians 11:3 that God is a the father is the head of Christ, Christ is the head of man, man is the head of woman, is Jesus inferior to the father?

    No. This is just the order and the design that God has given. And we probably should love it more than we do.

    But it relates and then in in the gospel in in in Ephesians where it talks about marriage it goes through all those instructions about marriage and then it says what this mystery is great but I’m speaking with reference to what Christ in the church male headship in in the church and in the home relates to and is connected to the nature of God and the nature of the gospel. I don’t think we want to compromise on those things.

    We don’t. And so it’s no small or secondary matter.

    Biblical Leadership vs. Worldly Leadership

    And then lastly, and I’ll I’ll empas emphasize this even more from last week, we always must remember that biblical leadership is entirely different from worldly leadership. In the world, leaders are superior to followers and followers are inferior to leaders. But as Jesus said, not so among you.

    That is not how that works in my kingdom, our Lord says. So, it is sacrificial and servant leadership. And I think we always need to be coming back to this. I I was talking to someone the other day. I I remember two weddings here in the last couple years where as Pastor Bobby was preaching from Ephesians 5 about God’s design for marriage, there were verbal there were verbal objections from people in the audience about this.

    Like one guy I had to say, would you please just It was amazing. So it’s clear, but the world hates this. May we as believers love this because we see God and his design in it. We need to keep coming back to this. Yeah. Okay.

    “Biblical leadership is entirely different from worldly leadership. As Jesus said, not so among you.”

    Presbyters Overseeing Multiple Churches

    Where does the idea of a presbyter overseeing multiple churches come from?

    And is this biblical or at least permitted in the Bible? And I think we’ll look at a pattern. I think one of the things we think about with with scripture is that there are things that are described which are not prescribed and this is kind of one of those things but it presents a pattern to us that’s that’s I think biblical.

    So the role and authority that both the apostle Paul and the apostle John had over multiple churches that’s that’s a descriptive example for us. Now nobody is an apostle today. In some traditions you will have leaders that use the title apostle. I think that’s misleading and unbiblical.

    But there is such a thing as people having authority over or at least some sort of guiding role over other churches. But I I think it’s not a formal authority. While this can provide some guidance and accountability to local churches, God’s design is the autonomy and the authority within the local church.

    Some denominations don’t they don’t really even call themselves denominations anymore because there isn’t the formal hierarchy that there once was. However, there is some accountability in terms of assessing the readiness of pastors for ministry. I was in a church planning network where that was the case where their strength was, no longer is, but their strength was assessing and appointing people who are qual and training people who are qualified.

    And so from that perspective, that type of leadership and example was really helpful. Even so, they were very careful to not disrupt the autonomy of each local church. Each local church, board of elders, group of elders is accountable to God and accountable in the ways that I just mentioned for their local church. That’s the that’s the biblical pattern. Okay.

    “God’s design is the autonomy and the authority within the local church.”

    All right.

    Regarding Churches with Unbiblical Government

    I think we have one more. How should we regard other churches with different and unbiblical church governments? This is an interesting one. A great question.

    And these last two, I think, Pastor Dave, you you suggested, so, thank you for that. God has made his design for church simple. It’s really clear if if you unpack and just look at the Bible. If you have the ministry of the word, if you have biblical elders, biblical deacons, and the sacraments of baptism and the Lord’s supper, if you have those things, you have a local church. There’s a lot of different ways you can organize that. We call that church polity. You can you can organize that in different ways, but those are the fundamentals.

    So, if those things make up a church, what if you don’t have those things?

    Well, it doesn’t matter what if we say it’s a church or not. Does God say it’s a church? I would say no. Now, technically the word eklesia, which is where we get the word church means gathering. It’s a gathering of believers. But if we want to organize a church, as God has said, I think we could say, “Yeah, that’s a gathering of believers. Is it a faithful local church?” I think we’d say no. I think we’d say no. As we’ve had to look for another church and even as my kids as they’ve as they’ve gone away to college and tried to find faithful local churches, this is what they look for.

    “It doesn’t matter what we say. Does God say it’s a church?”

    They look at the leadership and the structure first to make sure that that is biblical.

    I love this from the book biblical eldership by Alexander Stra. I have copies of the books I’ve recommended here. I know it seems daunting to have a I think this is like 300 pages. There’s a summarized 90page book that you can get on their website which I I really recommend. This was a surprise to me when I first read this. The New Testament offers more instruction regarding elders than other important church subjects such as the Lord’s Supper, the Lord’s Day, baptism, or spiritual gifts. And that is amazing.

    That’s demonstrabably true. How clear God has made something that many people will say are not clear. Alexander Stra when he was in he’s from New Jersey by the way. He grew up in Woodbridge came to Christ in high school and had a chance to interact with him a little bit.

    Just a he’s a shepherd. This is a he’s a great guy. I really appreciate his example. One of the things he said was that when he first entered seminary out in Colorado, he could see this clearly in scripture and his professors gave him push back on this. Oh no, you can do you can call them different things. You can do different things.

    This is this is just one form of leadership. And as he looked at the scriptures, he said, I don’t think we have that flexibility. God has given us his design and we do well to follow it.

    God’s Design for Discipline: Key Scriptures

    So just want to be really clear about this that biblical eldership is not one of several faithful options of church leadership. It is God’s design and we can only grow with the growth that is from God if we follow his design. And so that leads us to the design of discipline.

    And so once again, I I I’m going to the the direct quote from our statement of faith that I think is so helpful. I’m just going to read it and then go through some of these scriptures for us. We teach the importance of disciplehip worked out in the training of men for the work of ministry as well as through the mutual accountability of all believers to each other.

    In this regard, we teach the need for discipline of sinning members of the congregation in accord with the standards of scripture.

    “Biblical eldership is not one of several faithful options of church leadership. It is God’s design.”

    And so, I’m just going to read those scriptures for us today, which I think are really helpful. We’ll be drawing from these throughout our our time together today. So, Matthew 18 15-22 says this, “Now, if your brother sins, go and show him his fault between you and him alone.

    If he listens to you, you have won your brother. But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses, every fact may be confirmed. And if he refuses to listen to them, tell unto the church.

    And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a gentile and the tax collector. So there’s a lot to unpack there, which we will a little bit later. 1 Corinthians 5 1-13. And I’m going to read this. It’s a little little lengthy, but really helpful, I think.

    I love when people say we should be we should go back to the early church. We should go back to how the early church was.

    Let’s let’s understand what’s going on in this early church and see if you want to go back to that. It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you and sexual immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles that someone has his father’s wife. And you’ve become puffed up and have not mourned instead so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst.

    For I on my part, though absent in body, but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this as though I were present. In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled and I and I with you with the power of our Lord Jesus delivered such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord. I’m going to stop there right there.

    Always keep in mind and we we’ll continue to unpack this. The goal of church discipline is not removal. That’s not a goal. The goal is restoration. And it’s wonderful when you see that. It may be rare, but it does happen. And I’ve seen it. So your boasting is not good.

    Do you not know that a little leaven leavenvens the whole lump? Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover lamb also was sacrificed.

    Therefore let us celebrate the feast not with old leaven or with the wle leaven of malice and wickedness but with the un with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. I wrote you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people. I did not at all mean with the sexually immoral people of this world or with the greedy and swindlers or with idolattors.

    For then you would have to go out of the world. But now I’m writing to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is sexually immoral if he is a sexually immoral person or greedy or an idoltor or a reviler or a drunkard or a swindler. Not even to eat with such a one.

    For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Are you not to judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, God will judge. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves. So that’s that’s strong language worthy worthy of us to consider.

    And it’s interesting to me as I think about sometimes there are there are things we think about with regard to you want to be that we want this to be a safe environment and we know that we need to deal with certain people to leave and we think about that first of all with regard to children, right? If anyone’s going to pull off pull off any nonsense with children, that’s an obvious one to us. But other forms of im immorality might not be as as clear to us, but still require the same steps.

    And I think this passage bears that out. 1 Timothy 1 19 and 20 where Paul says, “Keeping faith with a good conscience which some having rejected suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith. Among these are Himaeus and Alexander whom I have handed over to Satan so that they will be taught not to blaspheme.

    That’s strong, but it’s not final.

    Wouldn’t I don’t know if if Himenius and Alexander were taught not to blasphe and and and were restored, but that was the goal. And I hope we we pick up on that.

    And then finally, Titus 1 10-16. For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers, and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, who must be silenced, because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of dishonest gain. One of themselves, a prophet of their own, said, “Credence are always liars, evil beasts, and lazy glutton.

    This testimony is true. For this reason, reprove them severely so that they may be sound in the faith.” Again, we’re looking for them to come back. We’re not looking to throw to the curb. Not paying attention to Jewish myths and commandments of men who turn away from the truth.

    To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled. They profess to know God, but by their works they deny him, being detestable and disobedient and unfit for any good work. So, let’s just hear the whole council of God with regard to these things. There there’s there’s a there’s a wholesomeness to it.

    There’s a there’s a a desire for protection of the body and restoring of those who would attack it. That’s the shepherd’s heart that we always want to keep in mind.

    The Grounds of Discipline: Belief and Behavior

    So I think I think what you saw there is there’s what are the grounds of discipline and there are areas of both belief and behavior that we address here. Okay.

    Sinful or heretical belief. We just those those two passages that we just read, right? Talked about beliefs that are upsetting and disrupting and corrupting, right? We had a situation like this recently, right, where we told somebody to the church was in the which was in the wrong belief category, not necessarily the wrong behavior category, right?

    So that’s that’s a legitimate that’s a legitimate thing. And then of course sinful behavior. We saw that in in f in 1 Corinthians 5. Egregious behavior, right? And and church discipline, godly discipline, is for both. And we’ll see that continue in our examples today.

    “There are areas of both belief and behavior that are grounds for discipline.”

    The Health of the Body

    We read this earlier. Now, keep in mind that the purpose of discipline, we talked about restoring, but it’s it’s the health. It’s the health of the body, right? Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavenvens the whole lump?

    Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump just as you are in fact unleavened for Christ our Passover lamb was also sacrificed but those who are outside God will judge remove the wicked man from among yourselves I think we see there what what does it say a little levan leavenvens the whole lump a little sin can be very corrupting do we not see this in our own hearts and lives I think it was John Owen who said, “Be killing sin or sin will be killing you.” Kind of a summary of the testimony of Romans 6. Yeah. Sin leads to death. It’s not to be toyed with. Need to be very very careful with it.

    So little sin infects the whole congregation and will only grow if not addressed. Only grow if not addressed.

    “A little sin can be very corrupting. It will only grow if not addressed.”

    We want to we want to address it when it’s small. And I think as we go through the mechanics of this or the the order that God has given us, that’s what God’s word is designed.

    Don’t wait until there’s a crisis. God gives us a beautiful design to avoid getting to that point if at all possible.

    Okay. Again, spiritual health. Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of angels, going into detail about visions he has seen, being puffed up for nothing by his fleshly mind, and not holding fast to the head, from whom the bo the whole body being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments grows with a growth that is from God.

    We want to grow with the growth that is from God. Mike, I was thinking about an experience you and I had in our small group where we had a couple guys kind of get into some weird weird speculation, conspiracy theory stuff that had nothing to do with the Bible. And it was it was gripping their attention, their minds in a way that scripture wasn’t.

    It’s like, no, we’re not doing that. We’re not doing that. When we do that, we lose we lose our connection with the head, right? And we and it and him is our growth. So body parts that do not submit to the head that is Christ are a cancer to the whole body, right?

    We want to be sure we are connected to and directing people to the head even Christ. And so that I think that’s just a wonderful thing to think about. We want to grow with the growth that is from God. And so we saw in that former that former passage in 1 Corinthians 5 that addressed sin of behavior. This clearly addresses sin of belief.

    We’ll go further into this. Always think about this with regard to spiritual health. I mean, think about your own bodies and the disciplines that we have to go through just to remain healthy.

    They’re not always fun, right? You have to deny certain things to pursue other things. Applies to us as individuals.

    The Lord’s Supper and Self-Examination

    Applies to the body of Christ. Now here I believe God has designed the Lord’s supper for this very purpose to really help us with this. I believe how we practice the Lord’s supper has a big impact on the health of the body.

    And so we’ll read these later, but let me just emphasize a couple things from our instructions from 1 Corinthians 11 says, “Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. But a man must test himself, and in so doing, he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged.

    But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord. That’s what we’re talking about. We’re talking about church discipline. So that we will not be condemned along with the world.

    We really want to take seriously the examination that God calls us to in the Lord’s supper. Why? We want to confess and repent of those things for which Christ died and put him on the cross.

    We want to live out our distinct nature as believers and confess the things that bring condemnation upon the world and will bring condemnation upon us if not for the saving work of Christ. And so as we in the Lord’s timing, we do have the Lord’s supper today. And so with that, this is a great thing to think about.

    So in this sense right proper practice of the Lord’s supper begins with his individual discipline of us. So when we think about church discipline as it’s outlined for us in Matthew 18 this is the foundation right what is going on in our own individual lives provides the foundation for carrying that out.

    “We want to confess and repent of those things for which Christ died and put him on the cross.”

    The Pre-Step: Individual Communion with God

    So I call this the pre-step. There’s four steps outlined pretty clearly in Matthew 18. And I’ve referred this as to the prerequisite of the pre-step, right?

    What what’s going on with us individually with God? I think we mentioned this last week. What does God’s word do for us? All scriptures inspired by God and profitable for teaching. We see that for reprove, correction, training, and righteousness.

    So that the men of God may may be equipped, having been thoroughly equipped for every good work. So, church discipline is and must be consistent with and in accordance with God’s word.

    We don’t discipline people for things that are our preferences, but for what God has clearly said. That’s why the two or three witnesses, that examination, that process is meant to determine if that’s really true. And brothers and sisters, if we’re in the word every day, we should be being disciplined by the Lord every day because he loves us. I don’t know about you, but I have not run out of things to repent of yet.

    And so for us to have this as a daily exercise, I would say this to the extent that which is that this is a regular practice in our own lives, then this whole process that we’re talking about will make sense because it’s God’s means to carry that out in an external way.

    So I would say this prior to any church discipline, the scriptures assume that believers are in vital communion with God and hearing from him in his word.

    “The scriptures assume that believers are in vital communion with God and hearing from him in his word.”

    I love this. Blessed, yes. Blessed is the man whom you discipline, oh Yah, and whom you teach out of your law. Again, this is just part of the dynamic of our relationship with our loving heavenly father.

    Psalm 94:12: “Blessed is the man whom you discipline, oh Yah, and whom you teach out of your law.”

    Again, I’ve kept that picture there.

    Always keep about that. Keep that shepherd image in mind. What does it say in Psalm 23? Your rod and your staff, they comfort me. It’s both your guidance and your reproof. If a sheep’s going to go off a cliff, he’s going to get whacked so that he stays on course. God has to do that with us sometimes. And he has to do that sometimes through through the means of other people. Praise God.

    He loves us too much to not do that. So God’s daily teaching, right, and discipline of us is foundational to individual and corporate spiritual discipline and health.

    And so really take that seriously. I don’t know how each of you are in your rhythm with the Lord, but it all starts here. We don’t want to miss out on the growth that comes from God individually and as a body.

    Step One: Private Confrontation

    So now let’s go through the formal steps. Right? So I I think there is the pre-step the things that we’re the prerequisite that we all need to be doing individually before God. Right?

    But then we have this responsibility from Matthew 18:15. Yeah. Now if your brother sins, go and show him his fault.

    Between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won your brother. Let say a couple personal words about this. I I’ve been in several situations, two that I can think of in particular, where a brother or sister in Christ was in a very obvious sin that was known to the body around them.

    And nobody was saying anything.

    Even members of that person’s own family who knew the Lord weren’t saying anything in one particular case. And I thought, Lord, what do I do? What do I do? Do I do I truly love this person?

    And if I do, I have to say something .

    “Do I truly love this person? And if I do, I have to say something.”

    And I can think of a couple, as I mentioned it earlier, I can think of a couple conversations where this process and having those conversations and with one in particular, it went further out to the church, but one it didn’t. Some of my very closest relationships are owing to faithfulness in this area.

    Not necessarily just my faithfulness, but the faithfulness of of the body. And I’m just so thankful for that.

    Some of my most precious precious relationships.

    Restoring in a Spirit of Gentleness

    Brothers, even if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, each of you looking to yourself so that you too will not be tempted.

    What does spiritual mean?

    Do we wait till we’re perfect to do this and we’re never going to do it? I love what it says in 1 John 1:7. If we walk in the light as he himself is in the light, we have fellowship one with another and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin.

    This is what we’re after. Making sure that we’re examining ourselves before God. We have a clear conscience with him with others. And if we’re in that state, God has called us to do this. But again, with a spirit of humility, this isn’t this isn’t a condescension. This isn’t a I’m I’m better than you. This is I love you and I want better for you.

    1 John 1:7: “If we walk in the light as he himself is in the light, we have fellowship one with another.”

    This. If you’re a believer in Christ, each of us has this responsibility.

    Some of you have done this. Some of you have sherked this responsibility. For some of you, you may have situations right now where you say, “I need to do this.” And may the Lord guide us to do it with following the command that he has provided and the means and the way that he has provided for us in a spirit of gentleness and with introspection.

    Yeah, it’s a spiritual battle. I found in having these hard conversations, all of a sudden the temptation level rises in your own life. This is the nature of the battle that God wants us to enter into. Okay, so that’s step one.

    Step Two: With Witnesses

    Step two is with others. But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses, every fact may be confirmed. And this follows the pattern established for us in the Old Testament.

    And is designed to share the burden of biblical love. It’s a hard burden to point out a sin to someone and sometimes you just need help and bringing someone else who so this isn’t a matter of ganging up on someone or beating up someone. This is a keep in mind the shepherd rescuing the sheep.

    This is a rescue mission, right?

    I would say that from what I’ve seen over the years, not only are people restored to Christ, who already are believers, but some who were not believers, but didn’t realize I came to salvation through this process.

    “Not only are people restored to Christ, but some who were not believers came to salvation through this process.”

    Beautiful.

    Beautiful. And we need to think of it from this perspective. And and often in in a case like this, I think it’s wise to bring an elder who knows this person.

    Because as we go through the next steps and we think about telling it to the church and all and all that, that’s more of an elder responsibility. And so if you can, I think the one or two should involve an elder if you can.

    That’s a that’s a helpful and a wise thing to do.

    Step Three: Tell It to the Church

    But then step three is sobering, right?

    If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church.

    Good biblical shephering requires that the church be warned because of the spiritual health and strength that God calls us to. Right? Because God has appointed elders who are accountable to God for the souls of their people. It is advisable to have the elders inform the local congregation.

    And we had a recent example of this as just a few weeks ago. And We didn’t rush to do that. We don’t want to rush to do that. This isn’t our heart to to go through all four steps, right?

    It’s not a goal. Restoration is the goal. And you pray at each step that that would happen.

    “We don’t want to rush. Restoration is the goal. You pray at each step that it would happen.”

    And it can happen after the fourth step, which we’ll talk about right now.

    Treating the Person as a Brother

    If anyone does not obey our word, it says yeah, this is I’m not to the forep yet. This is more about telling it to the church. If anyone does not obey our word in this letter, take special note of that person to not associate with him so that he will be put to shame and yet do not regard him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother. We’re still in the if this is a professing believer, you’re regarding this person as a brother or sister in Christ and you love them.

    I have been a recipient of some really stinging and painful reu rebutes that I needed that I did not want at that time but have been vital to my growth and health in the Lord. I am so thankful for the courage of people who did that. So thankful they love they did it because they loved me, not because they didn’t love me.

    “Do not regard him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.”

    I remember one situation in particular in high school. I I thought I thought I was putting on a good show and I this issue in my life was hidden and I just got nailed. It’s as if like do you can you see through my heart? Well, God gives some people certain insight like that in Hebrews 4:13 talks about this. There’s nothing that’s hidden that won’t be brought to light eventually. And in Daniel 2:22, it says he knows God knows what dwells in darkness and light dwells with him. And he gives that discernment to certain people.

    So when we do this, let’s look at 1 Corinthians 5.

    I think this is really helpful. This it goes back to what we saw earlier.

    We’re still in the in the in the mode here through the third step of regarding this person as a brother or sister in Christ.

    So important that we because when you’re family, you treat family differently, don’t you? Particularly family in Christ.

    I wrote in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people. I did not at all mean with the sexually immoral people of this world or with the greedy and swindlers or with idolattors. For then you would have to go out of the world.

    But now I’m writing to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is sexually immoral. If he is a sexually immoral person or greedy or an idoltor or a violer or a drunker or a swindler, not to even eat with such a one. So we make the we need to be careful in making these distinctions.

    So the goal here is restoration. As the seriousness of this person’s sin is conveyed to their brothers and sisters in Christ, professing brothers and sisters in Christ, there should be a shame and an alienation to this that’s appropriate and just that is meant to be a means to restore.

    I know that’s not popular in this culture, but it’s just so important and so so helpful.

    The question is, do we trust God with the means that he has given to do this?

    Some of you may have never seen this happen. I want to encourage you that I have seen it happen and I have seen people restored.

    Step Four: Removal

    Some of you have as well and it’s a beautiful thing. And then step four, removal. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as the gentile and the tax collector.

    Now, how do we treat unbelievers?

    We love them, don’t we? We want them to be saved, but we don’t regard them as believers. There’s a distinction, right?

    We love unbelievers and desire their salvation even while not treating them as part of God’s family of believers. In a sense, if we if we read that 1 Corinthians 5 passage correctly, it’s more appropriate to not associate with a professing believer who’s in sin than with the than with an unbeliever who is. Isn’t that interesting?

    “We love them, but we don’t regard them as believers. There’s a distinction.”

    We expect unbelievers to sin to be we all sin. I don’t I don’t mean to indicate that we don’t, but to for that to be their lifestyle, what characterizes their lives. I think early on in my in my Christian life, I had a lot of frustration because I expected unbelievers to act like believers. That’s a recipe for frustration. So, we wanna we want to make these proper biblical distinctions.

    And so, yeah. So, you can go through this process and have someone removed. They can still attend. Sure.

    But you treat them as an unbeliever. Do unbelievers come here? Yeah. We bring we bring them the gospel. So, there’s a lot to sort through here with discernment, but I think this is a helpful u biblical distinction.

    Okay?

    The Shepherd’s Heart in Discipline

    And we think about the shepherd’s heart, always going back to the shepherd’s heart. Do I have God’s heart for this person? Do I have God’s perspective on this person? Oh, I love what it says in Psalm 33 that as God looks out on all people, he says he he knows the hearts of them all. He understands all their works.

    So, we want to be tied into him. I love this from 1 John 5:2. I’ve probably mentioned this several times in this setting. By this, we know that we love the children of God when we love God and do his commandments.

    In no other area, well, I think in this area, this is especially important because the steps that God calls us to are not steps that people generally want, but they are steps that God wants.

    Let’s apply this. How do I how do I love them? If I love God and keep his commandments, he’s commanded this. And if I do that, I just need to be assured whether whether they like it or not. It’s it’s an it’s a expression of God’s love to them and my love through him to them.

    1 John 5:2: “By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and do his commandments.”

    Remember the Lord disciplines those he loves.

    And if we love those who are his, we carry out his discipline, his way to those we love in him.

    This is challenging.

    I want us to really think about this. We see those passages in Proverbs that he who withholds discipline hates his son. We understand this. Well, let’s apply this to our brothers and sisters in Christ.

    If we withhold this, do we really? If we withhold this from one another, do we love one another? No. No, we don’t. I think it’s really worth thinking through and thinking through the implications before they are challenged.

    Work through your convictions on this before they are challenged because if you haven’t and it it just pops up, it’s going to be really hard to deal with. But if we’re in this rhythm of this individual discipline where we’re in the word and God is disciplining us day by day, if we have vital sharpening relationships where others are reproving us with his word, let me just say it this way. If we’re a healthy church, church discipline is happening all the time with individuals at at the very least. I count on that.

    My small group, some of you men I’m on a really short leash, if I can put it that way. And that’s a really good thing. We you guys holding me accountable, having harder conversations, confronting me, us doing that with one another, that’s that’s step one of first discipline that’s invisible to the rest of the church, right? But I’ll say it boldly. If we’re a healthy church, church discipline is happening regularly.

    Does that make sense? For our good because not because God doesn’t love us but because he does. And so for us, I think we don’t think about this merely as checking the right boxes, but having the right relationships with him and one another. Does that make sense? Yeah.

    Again, I want I want us to see and to love and appreciate our shepherd’s heart in all of this. That’s what it is. It’s his shephering of us by the means that he has given.

    All right, going to do a little bit of Q&A. I’ve got just a couple things here to suggest.

    Cultivating a Teachable Spirit

    This is a huge topic and I I I encourage you to look at these verses at home and think about it. But how are you cultivating a teachable spirit in your own life?

    I’ve told the kids many times growing up that for most people they would rather die than admit they were wrong about anything.

    I think that’s most I think that’s most people.

    Look with me at Proverbs 9:es 7-9.

    He who reproves He who disciplines a scoffer receives disgrace for himself. And he who reproves a wicked man receives injury for himself. Do not reprove a scoffer or he will he will hate you. Reprove a wise man and he will love you.

    Give knowledge to a wise man and he will be still wiser. Make a righteous man know it and he will increase his learning.

    How we receive correction is the litmus test of wisdom in our lives.

    “How we receive correction is the litmus test of wisdom in our lives.”

    If you want to know if someone’s wise, reprove them. I’m not saying just go around doing this. But that is a litmus test. If someone reproves me and and honestly this is this is a tough one.

    We need to cultivate this in our lives.

    Receiving Reproof as a Gift

    What about when you’re reproved by someone who is a total hypocrite in the thing that he’s reproving you in and it’s kind of a clown? What do you do with that?

    I should love that person.

    Wow. One of the hardest things to do.

    Those other verses talk about that. He he who hates reproof is stupid. It says in Proverbs 12:1, reproofs or discipline are the way of life. Think think of those things that we talked about. Psalm 141:5 is is is high voltage. Let the righteous smite me in kindness. Let not my head let me not refuse it. It’s a gift.

    Psalm 141:5: “Let the righteous smite me in kindness. Let me not refuse it. It’s a gift.”

    And so I would just challenge us to really think about this both in terms of how we give and how we receive reproof.

    I would even go far as to say this. You may not all agree with me, but if I read the book of Proverbs correctly, I am not only wise to receive reproof when it is given. But because it is so valuable, I do well to ask for it.

    Now, I know there are two people in my life that are examples of this to me.

    One is my father. Praise God because most dads are not like that. And one is Mike Ricardi, our friend, right? And and I I’ve just seen this as a pattern in their lives where they this has been something that they’ve sought and and it’s accelerated their growth and I want to be like them in that respect and so I just recommend that to you to be cultivating that always in your life not just with God that should be every day but how we are with one another. Okay.

    So I’m looking forward to the criticism that you’ll give me today about this lesson. I’m sure I’m sure it’s coming.

    Testimonies of Church Discipline

    How have you seen church discipline exercised and what has been the fruit of it?

    Anybody seen it and and and have an example they’d like to like to express at times when like either my mom or my aunt corrects me at first I’m like because of my pride.

    Yeah.

    I like deny it. Well, I try to argue at first.

    Yeah.

    But like at times since I’ve been like praying about it and asking God, I will like be silent and hear like not talk over them and try to and listen try to listen to them and then I’ll go back on my own to let go what they’re saying is right. Yeah.

    So yeah.

    Yeah. I’ve been seeing it a little bit in my life.

    I think we’ve all seen that. I mean, I I just it’s our natural reaction to reject it as an insult rather than receiving it as a gift. And I’ll put it this way.

    Even if it’s meant as an insult, God has meant it as a gift for you.

    There’s a there’s a a sequence with with David as king during his battle with Abselum. And this clown named Shem was following him, throwing rocks and just insult, hurling insults at him. His general wanted to take off his head.

    This is this is high voltage. This is heavy. This is this is heavy duty. What what did what did David say to his commander? He said, “No, for the Lord has sent him.” What? The Lord has sent this clown.

    Yeah. Yeah. If we believe in the sovereignty of God, that we believe that any input that comes at us should be considered humbling. The pastor who married us, Jim Miller, was a great example of this to me. Remember he said to me, he said, ‘ Mark, when someone corrects you, your first response should always be, “Thank you. I will prayerfully consider that.” And that is not our first natural reaction.

    That’s got to be a spirit-led reaction.

    Maybe a couple other comments or questions. Mike So I received received some church discipline from a brother about say 12 years ago 13 11 12 years ago I can’t remember the exact time but it was a great lesson because it was at that time that I knew that this brother loved Christ and that he loved me.

    The quick story is that Leela and I had started forming a worship team, a little worship band. And at the church we were at on Thanksgiving Eve, we had something called the people service where the pastor would usually teach on Wednesday nights, but he took a break.

    And it was Thanksgiving eve and we kind of did what I considered just a a gathering. I didn’t really know the term fellowship at that time. I was relatively new in my faith. But we invited my daughter Mel and my stepson Daniel to perform a song with us up on the the platform during this people service.

    And and then the brother called me u shortly thereafter and he said, “Why do you think it’s right that your unsaved children should serve in in ministry?” And I said, ” Jim, I didn’t really think about it that way. I I didn’t number one, I didn’t think that was an actual church service, but I’m I’m glad you called me because I I didn’t think about it that way.”

    And it was at that time when I I realized that this brother loved me enough to to confront me on that. And and we had a a good conversation. I didn’t argue with him. I I had no basis to argue because I really didn’t know.

    Yeah. But I did research it and I realized that I no, I was not serving my daughter well and I was not serving serving my stepson well by letting them play church with us.

    So that that that friendship is the greatest Christian friendship I have to this day. And I love that brother for it and for him confronting me on that. He gained a brother that day.

    “I was not serving my daughter well by letting them play church with us. That friendship is the greatest Christian friendship I have.”

    Yeah. When when he came alongside me and confronted me. So yeah. And he he he did it because he loved you. Who’s concerned about the salvation of your children. Mike, I don’t know anyone who’s more consumed with the or or has such a heart for the salvation of his children than you.

    Next Steps and Closing

    And so, thank you for that, brother. So, next week is going to be a Q&A with the elders. Let me just give a little guidance on that. Which will be yeah so it’ll be kind of an we’re going to have some we’re going to compile the questions and be ready to answer them for you and you can look at the slides these will be on the website this week but these are the topics we’ve covered so far from which we want to entertain some questions right hermeneutics and expository preaching the nature of the Bible the trinity sovereign election I expect more than one question on that the gospel of repentance and faith believers Baptism by immersion, elder rule, and church discipline.

    We’ve covered some of those today, but so you could speak with me after service today if you have any specific ones you’d like us to answer or email Pastor Dave during the week. We want to really prepare well for you for that and take that time seriously. So please, please send us your questions. We really look forward to that that time together.

    And then of course, Greg Thank you. This is where I need these guys. We said we want them by Thursday.

    I didn’t put that in the slides. If you could send them to us by Thursday.

    Thanks, Greg. That would be great. And those books that I’ve recommended, I have copies of them here. You’re free to to look at them. I don’t know if I want you to borrow them because they’re treasures to me. But, really recommend these and and and again, I hope in this series you’ve seen more than anything our great shepherd and his heart for you and I. And may we grow with a growth that’s from him. Let me close us out in prayer.

    “I hope in this series you’ve seen more than anything our great shepherd and his heart for you and I.”

    Father, what a joy it is to see something that in our flesh we would hate that our hearts would be transformed to love. May that be true for us this morning as we’ve covered what can be a difficult topic.

    We know that whom the Lord loves, he disciplines. And if we’re not disciplined by you, we’re illegitimate sons, il illegitimate children.

    So, Father, may you open our eyes to see the depths and the perfection of your love for us and your means of carrying those out.

    May we be faithful receivers of your discipline, faithful dispensers of it humbly as your sheep. And Father, may you grow this church in depth and breadth and height in all the ways that you want. May we submit fully to your headship, your shephering in Jesus name. Amen. Thank you.

  • Elder Rule and Church Discipline, Overview

    Elder Rule and Church Discipline, Overview

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    Summary

    This lesson explores the biblical design for church leadership through elder rule and shepherding. We are reminded that Christ is the supreme authority over the church and that eldership is not a human invention but God’s intentional design for leading His people. The passage teaches us that elders are not simply filling a job description—they carry an identity given by God, appointed by the Holy Spirit, and held to character qualifications that reflect Christlikeness.

    Key Lessons:

    1. Eldership is an identity God gives, not merely a role to fill—the Holy Spirit appoints overseers, and the church recognizes whom God has already chosen.
    2. All elder qualifications except one are character-based; in God’s economy, character matters far more than skill.
    3. The plurality of elders provides essential protection and accountability—no single leader should go unchecked, and biblical leadership is the opposite of worldly authority structures.
    4. The four roles of a shepherd—knowing, leading, feeding, and protecting the sheep—mirror how Christ himself shepherds us.

    Application: We are called to pray faithfully for our elders, to submit joyfully to biblical leadership while also holding leaders accountable to Scripture, and to recognize that God’s design for church leadership flows entirely from Christ’s example of servant leadership.

    Discussion Questions:

    1. How does understanding eldership as an identity rather than a job description change how we view and support our church leaders?
    2. In what ways can we personally practice the character qualifications listed in 1 Timothy 3, even if we are not called to be elders?
    3. How should we navigate the tension between submitting to our leaders and holding them accountable when we have concerns?

    Scripture Focus: 1 Peter 5:1-5 frames the lesson with Peter’s exhortation to fellow elders. 1 Timothy 3:1-13 outlines elder qualifications. Acts 20:28 reveals the Holy Spirit’s role in appointing overseers. Ephesians 4:11-16 shows God’s design for building up the church through gifted leaders. Hebrews 13:7, 17 teaches our responsibility to follow and submit to godly leaders.

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    Introduction

    For coming in from the cold. It’s good to be inside, isn’t it? Praise the Lord for his provision of heat and shelter, clothing, all of that. Good to see you all this morning.

    Well, today we’re going to continue our series in defending doctrinal distinctives. This weekend next, we’ll be talking about elder rule and church discipline. It can be heavy, but as always, we point to our savior, our great shepherd. We open today with this verse, a familiar verse no doubt to some of us.

    Therefore I exhort the elders among you as your fellow elder. Now this is the apostle Peter and notice what he says. As your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed. Shepherd the flock of God among you, overseeing not under compulsion, but willingly according to God, and not for dishonest gain, but with eagerness, nor yet as lording it over those allotted to you, but being examples to the flock. And when the chief shepherd appears, you will receive the unfading crown of glory.

    With that and with focus on our savior, let me pray for us today.

    Father, praise you for our perfect great shepherd Jesus. Praise you for your perfect design for your church that you have promised to build. May we as fallen sinners fulfill our individual roles and identities by submitting to Christ as the head and trusting him to build your church as he promised. Father, may we experience the clarity, joy, and strength of this marvelous design and being built up in love and in the image of Christ both individually and as a body in Jesus’ name. Amen.

    Well, let me just walk through our road map for this week and next. For today it’s focusing on eldership and next week it’ll be on church discipline and I think you’ll see there’s just such an important connection that we look forward to unfolding for you. We’re going to walk through God’s authority and design, God’s designated shepherds, and we’ll walk through our statements of faith. We’re just going to walk through those together.

    The example of Jesus, as we alluded to, our great shepherd, who we follow, how we follow, the role of the shepherd. There are four primary roles of a shepherd that we’re going to unfold today and talk a little bit about some terminology: elder rule versus elder-led. Then we’ll get into some Q&A. I hope to have some time for questions toward the end. But if not, we have another week. We may have to take advantage of that.

    Next week, we want to talk a little bit about the purpose of discipline and corporate spiritual health. That’s really what it’s about and the shepherd’s heart. Part of shepherding is to protect sheep. That’s what church discipline is all about. When we think about Jesus and how he shepherds us, church discipline is a marvelous expression of that if carried out according to his design and with his heart.

    The role of rescue. Scriptures talk about discipline as rescuing. That’s an important aspect of faithfulness for us. And then the design of discipline through Matthew 18. As we see in some of those chapters, church discipline isn’t simply for church elders. It’s for all of us as we teach and admonish one another with the word of God.

    Think with me for a minute of what the word of God does for us. 2 Timothy 3:16 is familiar to us: All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness. Two of those are positive, if you will—teaching and training. Two of them can be seen as negative, if you will—reproof and correction. But all are necessary and all are beautiful.

    If we are ministering God’s word to one another and if we’re in the word daily, these things should be happening to us regularly. You and I need to be taught, reproved, corrected, and trained in God’s word every day until we get everything right, which isn’t now, but in glory. I encourage us to when we think about this topic, think about that in a personal way.

    Take your Bibles and we’re going to look up some verses together. I’m actually going to flip through as we go here and just walk through.

    God’s Authority and Design for the Church

    This is from Statement of Faith, chapter 5, U, section six. We teach that the one supreme authority for the church is Christ. We’re just going to flip around here. It’ll test my paper skills.

    1 Corinthians 11:3. I just want us to keep hearing the personal nature of God and his design for the church. This isn’t man’s invention. Some will view eldership as just one option for church leadership, one of several, and it’s not.

    It’s God’s design, and we want to receive it that way from him.

    “Eldership is God’s design, and we want to receive it that way from him.”

    Christ as Head of the Church

    1 Corinthians 11:3 says Christ is the head of every man, and the man is head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. This is part of God’s design. It’s interesting as he begins the chapter. Look a couple verses earlier: “Be imitators of me just as I also am of Christ.”

    We don’t follow everyone and everything. We follow leaders who are following Christ.

    We pay attention. That’s why our being in the word is so important so that we can see that. Ephesians 1:22 says, “And he put all things in subjection under his feet, that’s Christ’s feet, and gave him as head over all things to the church.” I’ll keep going: “Which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.”

    Ephesians 1:22: “He put all things in subjection under his feet, and gave him as head over all things to the church.”

    Who do we follow? Follow Christ. He is the head. I love the analogies of the body and spiritual gifts, which we’ll actually be preaching on in a couple weeks. Christ is the head and we are the body. What happens to your body if parts of your body stop following the direction of the brain, the head? What happens? It’s not good. It suffers.

    As I understand it, cancerous cells are that specifically. They’ve stopped taking orders from the head and they’ve gone rogue. And so it is spiritually for our spiritual health. Then Colossians 1:18 reminds us of the supremacy and sufficiency of Christ. Simply, he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he himself will come to have first place in everything. Does he have first place in our hearts this morning? Are we submitting to giving him first place as we are here together as a church?

    It’s so important that we do that and that the church leadership, gifts, order, discipline, and worship are all appointed through his sovereignty as found in the scriptures.

    The biblically designated officers serving under Christ in the church are elders who are males who are also called bishops, overseers, shepherds, pastors, and pastor teachers.

    Let’s look at a couple verses there. I love Acts 20. It’s worthy of your time. Acts 20 is one of those passages that I read and I think this could have been written yesterday as we could see with much of the scriptures. The scriptures are more relevant than tomorrow’s news. It’s almost as if they had a divine and timeless source. It’s great for us to remember that.

    Acts 20:28, Paul giving his last words to the Ephesian elders as he sets the tone for them in leading the churches: “Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers to shepherd the church of God which he purchased with his own blood.”

    This is a sobering reality of spiritual leadership. It is not business leadership. It’s not corporate leadership. It’s spiritual leadership.

    And who appoints the overseers? The Holy Spirit. One of the things I hope you recognize as we walk through this beautiful design today is that eldership is not a job description or a role that you step into. It’s an identity that God gives certain people in his church. And so when we appoint elders, it’s a process of recognizing who God has given to lead your church.

    We see this in Ephesians 4, which we’ll get to later, that he has given some as leaders. He hasn’t just given gifts to people. He’s given certain people as gifts to the church to lead them. It’s beautiful.

    “Eldership is not a job description. It’s an identity that God gives certain people in his church.”

    God’s Gifted Leaders: Ephesians 4

    And then Ephesians 4:11, which I think I got ahead of myself, which I often do.

    And he gave some as apostles and some as prophets and some as evangelists and some as pastors and teachers for the equipping of the saints for the work of service to the building up of the body of Christ. That is who they are who elders are and it is what they are to do. Again I said he has given some I mean Galatians I won’t read the same will it?

    He has given some as this. And some of you who know me hear that I’m kind of like a broken record with this. Ephesians 4:11-16 give I think more than any other passage the succinct design for God’s church and I encourage us to spend some time in it. This I’ll just pick out a couple verses there. The equipping of the saints. For what purpose?

    For the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the full knowledge of the son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. So that we are no longer to be children tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness and deceitful scheming, but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into him who is the head, that is Christ, from whom the whole body, being joined and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the properly measured working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.

    Ephesians 4:15: “Speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into him who is the head, that is Christ.”

    The church and local churches are from, through, and to Christ. He is its source. He is its sustenance. And he is its goal. And we do well to remember that in all we do. And that’s so important how unlike worldly leadership that is when we focus on people.

    I’ll just say this and I’m getting ahead of myself a little bit, but it’s important to recognize this is why we have a plurality of elders because no one person has all of that. No one person is all of that, but Christ is.

    Amen. And so it’s his design that we are carrying out. There’s much protection in this. Now we noticed there that I’m tempted to just spend the rest of the time on this, but I want to highlight a couple things in verse 14. We are no longer to be children tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine. Isn’t that true? Hasn’t that been true of us at times? Isn’t that true of many of our professing friends?

    Qualifications for Elders and Deacons

    I know that. Look at Facebook. You can see this on full display. Just honestly, don’t you see that craziness from believers? Some, as I’ve gotten to know them, or these are people that I already know—often they are not in a biblical church that has biblical elders. And the result is that this kind of thing happens because they’re not being led properly. We have deacons as well, which are males, both of whom must meet biblical qualifications. Look with me at 1 Timothy 3.

    Again, I hope you can appreciate the beauty of these passages.

    I’m going to read 1 Timothy 3:1-13. There is some repetition in Titus 1, but I’m going to primarily focus on 1 Timothy 3. It is a trustworthy saying. If any man aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a good work. Let’s stop right there. It’s designed for people who desire the work. And it is work. As you unfold what the job is, I think we saw in Acts 20:28 the sobriety of wolves coming in to attack the sheep. And these are sheep whom Christ himself has purchased with his own blood. Right? This is a work that in some ways, when you look at it, you’d be crazy to want to do that.

    It has to be God’s enabling and God’s design for you. I can attest to you, having spent more than half of my adult life in this role, it is work. It is heart-wrenching work, but it is so fulfilling. What I love about this, let me read some of these qualifications and then I’ll explain what I mean. An overseer then must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but considerate, peaceable, free from the love of money, leading his own household well, having his children in submission with all dignity. But if a man does not know how to lead his own household, how will he care for the church of God? Not a new convert, so that he will become conceited and fall into the condemnation of the devil. And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. And the remaining talks about deacons with the same qualifications.

    “It is heart-wrenching work, but it is so fulfilling.”

    Just point out a couple things about these qualifications.

    Character Over Skill

    They are all character qualifications with the exception of one. The only ability, the only skill required for an elder is the ability to teach.

    Everything else is character. And I hope we understand as Christians that in God’s economy, character is way more important than skill. Skill doesn’t matter if you don’t have character. Skill is destructive if you don’t have character.

    “In God’s economy, character is way more important than skill.”

    And I know as a young man just coming out of college, as I studied this passage, it just gripped me and I thought, well, first of all, these qualifications are not just for elders. These are for all men, really for all Christians in a sense, except for the husband part if you’re female. But these are the qualities of Christlikeness that God calls all of us to.

    And it occurred to me as I was studying this that I don’t know if God’s going to allow me to be in this role, but if I prepare myself by seeking these character qualities, that’s going to be really good for me.

    The Ability to Teach and Refute

    It’s going to be good for me as a person. It’s good for me and I wasn’t even dating anybody. Being a husband and a father were way in the future, but I was thinking about it. And I said, “Wow, if I seek these attributes, if I ask God to build these attributes into my life, I’m going to be a better husband and better father.” So I’m just going to do that and see where it takes me and ask God to build these things into me.

    One of the things that’s a little bit distinct that’s helpful, I think, in Titus 1 is very similar in terms of the qualities it outlines, but it unfolds what the ability to teach is. One who teaches must be able to exhort in sound doctrine and refute those who contradict.

    That’s important to recognize because I find so often with teachers, they’re willing to do the former but not so willing to do the latter. They’re willing to do the positive stuff but not call out false doctrine. And as we go through this today and we think about the role of a shepherd, you have got to protect your sheep. I think we saw in that Acts 20 passage, there are fierce wolves coming from where? Outside? No, from among you, that will attack the sheep. And so part of the qualification to teach is to be able to both exhort and refute when it happens. It’s not always fun, but it’s necessary. Why?

    “You have got to protect your sheep. Part of the qualification to teach is to both exhort and refute.”

    Because we have the shepherd’s heart to protect the sheep. And I think when we get into the church discipline next week, we’ll see a little bit more of what that looks like.

    God’s Designated Shepherds: Servants of Christ

    Now, let’s talk a little bit more about God’s designated shepherds. What are they like? We’re going to unfold this a little bit more. We teach that the elders lead or rule as servants of Christ. Let’s talk about this. When we hear the word rule, I hope you understand this is not a heavy-handed rule like we see in the world. Jesus said in the gospels that the rulers of this world lorded over people. They exalt themselves. But what did Jesus say about that? It is not so among you. I’m among you as one who serves. I’ve heard it described this way: leadership in the world really is entirely opposite in one sense. Leadership in the kingdom of God is opposite from the leadership in the world. In the world, you think about a pyramid and the leader, the chief guy is on top and everybody’s supporting him.

    Take spiritual leadership, turn that upside down. If we’re servant leaders, it’s not about how many people can serve you. It’s how many people you can serve and support. It’s entirely the opposite.

    “It’s not about how many people can serve you. It’s how many people you can serve and support.”

    It’s a different thing. And so you can see why that requires a certain character, right, and a certain mindset that can only come from Christ himself.

    1 Timothy 5:17.

    The elders who lead well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor at preaching the word and teaching. The scripture says, “You shall not muzzle the ox while it is threshing, and the laborer is worthy of his wages. Do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses.

    Those who continue to sin reprove in the presence of all so that the rest also will be fearful. I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of his elect angels to observe these instructions without bias, doing nothing in partiality. Do not lay hands upon anyone hastily and thereby share responsibility for the sins of others.

    Keep yourself pure. And then we go to 1 Peter 5:1-5. So I think there’s a sobriety as you can see in these verses that someone must be tested so you can observe their life before they’re in that role. Right?

    Sometimes people come to Christ and they’re really excited and enthusiastic and energetic and just plug them in. When my dad first came to Christ, the church he was in tried to do that. And thankfully my dad—because my dad’s a very—I’m a shy introvert compared to my father. Okay, just to give you a sense of it. Some of you have met my dad. And he’s a strong leader. And so seeing that in his temperament, when he came to Christ, churches wanted to just put him right into leadership. And thankfully, he said, “No, that wouldn’t have been good for anyone.” 1 Peter 5:1-5. We read part of this earlier.

    Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder, a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed. Shepherd the flock of God among you, overseeing not under compulsion, but willingly according to God, and not for dishonest gain, but with eagerness, nor yet as lording it over those allotted to you, but being examples to the flock.

    Right? And I’m going to just leave it there because we’re going to unpack that a little bit later in the lesson. There’s authority in directing the church, but it’s a shepherding authority. It’s a caring authority. It’s not a domineering authority. It’s of a completely different nature. It’s the nature of Christ as the shepherd. The congregation is to submit to their leadership.

    The Congregation’s Responsibility

    Hebrews 13, I think we’ve alluded to this in this context several times. Very important verses 7 and 17 with regard to the responsibility that you and I have in how we view and how we follow our shepherds.

    Verse 7: “Remember your leaders who spoke the word of God to you and considering the result of their conduct, imitate their faith.” Right? We don’t follow everyone and we don’t follow them in everything. We consider the outcome and imitate on that basis. And that has directed me sometimes away from certain environments.

    Verse 17: “Obey your leaders and submit to them for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account so that they will do this with joy and not with groaning for this would be unprofitable for you.”

    Hebrews 13:17: “Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account.”

    We’re going to unpack this a little bit later, but I think we see a dual role here for us in submission to Christ. Each of us has a role in that dynamic.

    The Role of Deacons

    With regard to deacons, we teach that it is their responsibility to serve the elders as they lead the congregation.

    Most of the ways in which deacons serve are through the meeting of physical needs as well as general acts of benevolence. Let’s look at Acts 6.

    That is really instructive for us. Acts 6 is really an example of what it looks like when these roles are distinct. Some people have viewed deacons as junior elders, if you will, and it’s really not that. I think we can see this clearly. Let me just read the beginning of Acts 6:

    “Now, in those days, while the disciples were multiplying in number, there was grumbling from the Helenists against the Hebrews because their widows were being overlooked in the daily serving of food. So the 12 summoned the congregation of the disciples and said, ‘It is not pleasing to God for us to neglect the word of God in order to serve tables. Therefore, brothers, select from among you seven men of good reputation, full of the spirit and of wisdom, whom we may put in charge of this need. But we will devote ourselves to prayer and to the service of the word.’”

    Acts 6:2: “It is not pleasing to God for us to neglect the word of God in order to serve tables.”

    You see the importance of distinguishing those roles. Early on in my first leadership role at a church, I was in a Baptist church where they called the board deacons, but it was really serving as both deacons and elders together. You can see how that could be really difficult. I’m much more oriented toward the shepherding aspect, the elder aspects. Others were much more oriented toward meeting physical needs, and you could just see the distinction in the room. Some were just built for that.

    There were some guys that we would have people come to us for help with things, and they just knew how to navigate those difficult situations and really meet needs. To me, it was like magic. I’m like, “How do you do that?” Well, God had gifted them for that purpose. Others of us were getting a little bit frustrated because there are a lot of urgent, time-sensitive needs. If you’re focusing on those, guess what comes last? It’s the ministry of the word and of prayer.

    I actually remember saying one time in this because I thought we were just not doing what this said: “Well, how are we going to really get to ministering the word and prayer to people? How are we going to do what this says?” And one guy actually said, “Well, that’s not important. We don’t need to do that.” I thought, I don’t know why I’m here then, but that was a guy who was much more of a deacon than an elder.

    This distinction is just so important, and it’s what we have here. Deacons help free us up to do the ministry of the word and of prayer. We’re just so thankful for them. We’ve got a lot of them, and thank you guys. I know you guys are behind the scenes. You’re working with snow and different things like that, and we love you guys and appreciate you very much. That’s the distinction that we see there.

    The Example of Jesus as Great Shepherd

    Okay, let’s dive deep a little bit here on the example of Jesus. When we hear rule and authority, we just keep coming back to the example of Jesus. And let me just unfold a couple things for us that are helpful. Jesus said, “I have not come down from heaven not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me” in John 8. And so Jesus was saying to those who believed him, “If you abide in my word, then you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth. The truth will make you free.”

    I think we recognize that as Jesus submitted to the Father’s will, so we are to submit to his will as he is our example. There’s a lot I could say about this, but I’m just so amazed as I read through the gospels that Jesus only said the things the Father gave him to say and he only did the things the Father gave him to do.

    We’re going to—Pastor Dave’s going to preach later today on abiding in Christ, right? From John 15. Well, Jesus not only told us to do that, he was the best example of that, abiding in his Father. Amazing. You could say that with Jesus being the perfect Son of God, he could go rogue and do whatever he wanted to do and be totally fine. But as an example for us, he submitted to the will of his Father. And that’s what he calls us to do as well.

    “As Jesus submitted to the Father’s will, so we are to submit to his will as he is our example.”

    I love this from Hebrews 13: “Now the God of peace who brought up from the dead the great shepherd of the sheep through the blood of the eternal covenant, our Lord Jesus, equip you in every good thing to do his will by doing in us what is pleasing in his sight through Jesus Christ. To whom be the glory forever and ever. And when the chief shepherd appears, he you will receive the unfading crown of glory.” We read that earlier.

    The shepherd of this church is Jesus. And if we walk away from that, then it’s no longer a biblical church.

    So the example of character, action, and accountability as we’ll continue to unfold all come from Jesus himself. This is his means of us growing into the image of Christ.

    The Shepherd’s Heart: Philippians 2

    Philippians 2. These verses here inform my prayers for the elders and have since I arrived here. God has put this on my heart to pray for the elders. And I invite you, I implore you, I beg you, pray this for us, would you please?

    Therefore, if there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any fellowship of the spirit, if any affection and compassion, fulfill my joy, that you think the same way by maintaining the same love, being united in spirit, thinking on one purpose, doing nothing from selfishness or vain glory, but with humility of mind, regarding one another as more important than yourselves, not merely looking out for your own personal interests, but also for the interest of others. Have this way of thinking in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus.

    This is our charge. This is our role to derive those divine resources from Jesus himself to be united in them as fellow elders and to serve in them.

    “Our role is to derive those divine resources from Jesus himself, to be united in them as fellow elders.”

    We don’t derive authority, character, ability, any of that from ourselves. I hope you understand. I know I’m sounding like a broken record.

    It’s so important to understand this. It’s from Christ. It’s from Christ. It’s from Christ.

    That’s his design. We do well as elders to submit to that design. You do well to follow that design as well. We all do.

    Who We Follow: Individually Qualified Leaders

    We all have a specific role in following Christ. I hope you understand that.

    Who we follow—we’ve talked about this a little bit, and I want to dive into it. People who are individually qualified according to the scriptures: an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, etc. Right? We read all those qualities earlier.

    One of the things that I have both found difficult but benefited from so much is in the elder process. There’s this examination of these attributes. Does this candidate meet these attributes? And it’s going to lead to some conversations because none of us fulfill them perfectly. There are going to be areas of affirmation and areas of growth and difficult conversations. They have been life-changing for me, particularly with regard to my parenting.

    At a former church, they had the kids chime in and there were some concerns they had—legitimate concerns. Lee remembers this not because he was in on the conversation, but because he was listening in the hallway, I think, as I recall, right? It’s important, and that’s good that you did that. I told the kids, “I don’t want to know what you write. I want you to be free to be honest.” These are things that I asked them to do, and then I regret it kind of when it happens. I’m not going to say a lot about this, but they appointed Luke, our oldest son, to kind of be the spokesman. He took me out to lunch and just laid it out like, “All right, I’ve asked you to do this, but I’m not really glad that you are.” But anyway, my point is none of us goes into this just having it all wired and perfect. These attributes are not about perfection, but they are about direction. Does that make sense?

    You want people leading you who are heading there, right? And are open to correction when they’re not, right?

    “These attributes are not about perfection, but they are about direction.”

    That’s how it’s supposed to go. It’s a beautiful design. It’s a beautiful process.

    I also mentioned this from Titus 1: all of the qualifications are character qualifications with one skill, and that’s the ability to teach. That’s going to vary between elders. Some have stronger abilities than others, but still to have that ability is a requirement for eldership.

    So that’s who we follow. Able to teach—as I mentioned, I unfolded this earlier, actually a little bit ahead of myself. Holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able to both exhort in sound doctrine and reprove those who contradict. We have wolves who are attacking us and they need to be addressed directly, not with our opinion but with the word of God. That’s where this particular skill in the word of God comes from. You may remember that I preached earlier this year or last year on 1 John 3: test the spirits, right? We’ve got to understand what false doctrine is and address it because we love God and because we love the sheep. A qualified elder must be able and willing to do both. As I’ve said, particularly in this culture, I think there are fewer who are willing to call certain things and certain people out which need to be called out. Not because of our own arrogance, but because God’s truth is precious and his people need strengthening and protecting.

    I’m glad to be in a place where we don’t shy away from that. I asked Jackson a few years ago, “How would you describe the preaching at Calvary?” And he said, “Fearless.” Yeah, it sounds about right.

    Pray that we stay faithful.

    Who we follow? Ruling in plurality. This is a huge concept, and I’m going to go through it a little bit quickly: plurality of elders. You notice elders are always referred to in the plural. It doesn’t say follow the elder of your church. Elders appoint elders in every church. “For this reason I left you in Crete, that you would set in order what remains and appoint elders in every city as I directed you.” That is job one in establishing a church—establishing elders. When I was part of a church plant, that was a little difficult because we had one vocational pastor and we hadn’t yet established local elders, but we had remote elders speaking into us, keeping us accountable, keeping him accountable, and then I came along a little bit later. So important that we do that, right? “Therefore, I exhort the elders among you as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed.”

    “Job one in establishing a church is establishing elders.”

    I do wonder how our Roman Catholic friends process this. This is Peter. How did he describe himself as a fellow elder with the other elders? I think we can see with Paul and in other situations that he needed to be accountable to them. He did not get everything right. Praise the Lord. That’s an example for us. It gives us hope.

    There is no CEO or president of a biblical church. Some of you come from traditions where that’s kind of the case, right? I know I have friends where the pastor is viewed as the president or CEO and the wife is called the first lady. That’s really interesting. In one sense you appreciate wanting to honor those who serve you, but that’s a step too far. That is worldly thinking. That is not biblical thinking.

    How We Follow: With Joy and Submission

    That’s who we follow. And how do we follow? How do we follow? We saw this in Hebrews 13:1-17. Remember your leaders who spoke the word of God to you and considering the result of their conduct, imitate their faith. Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account so that they will do this with joy and not with groaning. For this would be unprofitable for you.

    Why do we obey biblical leaders? That’s for our joy. It’s a step of faith to trust imperfect men in plurality leading you. Which is why I beg you to pray for us. Please, please take that seriously. We all have a role in this. And since we have a plurality, we submit to one another.

    “It’s a step of faith to trust imperfect men in plurality leading you. Which is why I beg you to pray for us.”

    This is the beautiful protection that God has in this. No one person can go rogue without accountability.

    Our role is to give an account to God as good examples, to do it with joy as you submit willingly to us. I remember this is interesting. I don’t think we’re particularly heavy-handed, but we want to lay out the scriptures for you, give you things that are biblical. Some of you were here during 2019, 2020, COVID kind of, I think, earlier stages of some conflict, cultural conflict. And I remember having a conversation with a couple young men who were really upset about how we were handling health regulations and masks and all that. They started talking to me about it and I said, “I’m the wrong person to talk to about it. If you have a complaint, talk to your elders about it.” But I quoted this passage to them.

    I said, “They’re not asking you to do anything unbiblical. They are really seeking the Lord’s face to navigate through this. And so it will be your joy to just do it. Just submit to and trust God in that way.” And that’s what we do sometimes. You don’t have to agree completely. If it’s something unbiblical, that’s another thing. But if they’re asking you to do something and it’s not unbiblical, that’s God’s will for you. It just is. And so it is a step of faith for you to obey that. It’s a step of faith for us to seek God’s will to do the right thing. You understand that? But it’s all in submission to him. That is his design.

    As we saw in 1 Corinthians 11, we follow those who follow Christ. I think the implication in what Paul said there when he said, “Follow me as I follow Christ.” I think the implication is to the extent that I’m following Christ, follow me. But to the extent that I’m not, please don’t. We saw this in Acts 17 with the example with the Bereans when they tested his words against scripture. He welcomed that. And so I think that’s our heart as well to the extent that we’re following Christ. It always comes back to Christ.

    And then we follow Christ in submitting to his undershepherds with joy. That’s an important distinction. I think undershepherds is a better description than shepherds, right? He is the chief shepherd.

    Praise the Lord. If it was just us, I don’t know that I’d step into this or that we would step into this.

    The Shepherd’s Role: Knowing the Sheep

    Our role is to submit to and point you to the great shepherd. I want to walk through the whole idea of shepherding. It’s a huge theme in the scriptures as God is our great shepherd. What I find really interesting is David was kind of the prototypical example in the Old Testament, right? He shepherded God’s people from the heart and guided them with skillful hands. We see that I think in Psalm 78.

    So interesting, but also interesting when you look at it. If you’re going through the Bible a year, you’ve recently gone through Genesis and you saw Joseph and his brothers and all that. Why did they have to live separate from the land of Egypt? Because shepherds were odious to the Egyptians.

    This is not a favored profession to the Egyptians or otherwise. It’s dirty. It’s smelly. It’s lowly. When the angels first appeared to the shepherds to announce Jesus’s birth, God was telling us something there, right? They’re the lowest of the low. Yet, this is the model that God has chosen to demonstrate his leadership of us and our leadership in the church. That’s incredible. That’s just incredible.

    Jesus said this in John 10:

    John 10:27-28: “My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me and I give eternal life to them.”

    My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me and I give eternal life to them and they will never perish and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My father who has given them to me is greater than all and no one is able to snatch them out of the father’s hand. I and the father are one.

    So the first role is that the shepherd knows his sheep. I’m going to recommend some books to you. One of them that I’ve really enjoyed that my father gave me is called While Shepherds Watch Their Flocks. It’s a devotional.

    Tim Laniac took a sabbatical and he did research with Middle Eastern shepherds, getting to know them, seeing what they do, and reflecting on what the Bible says about shepherds. And I was amazed at how well the shepherds have to know their sheep just to do their job. Hundreds of them and they know each of them individually by name. They know their needs. They know specifically how stupid they can be. I mean, I was reading this going these are not dumb people. The level of intelligence and effort required to shepherd well is incredible.

    So anyway, that’s just helpful to know that first of all the shepherd knows the sheep. Jesus says he knows his sheep and that he calls us as shepherds to know the sheep as well.

    The Shepherd’s Role: Leading the Sheep

    Lead. Second role is to lead. He also chose David. I referred to this earlier from Psalm 78. He also chose David his servant and took him from the sheepfolds. From following the flock, he brought him to shepherd Jacob his people and Israel his inheritance.

    So he shepherded them according to the integrity of his heart and led them with his skillful hands.

    This is not even in ancient Israel would not be seen as the greatest training program. But didn’t it train David perfectly for the task? I’m going to go back. I think about what David said as he was about to face Goliath. His shepherding equipped him for this. I’ve killed a lion and a bear with my bare hands. God enabled me to do that.

    Psalm 78:72: “He shepherded them according to the integrity of his heart and led them with his skillful hands.”

    God will enable me to do this.

    Incredible. Incredible.

    So that’s and I just love how it unfolds. This integrity of heart, skillful hands. I think you see those concepts echoed in the New Testament for leadership.

    Jesus said follow me. Many times we saw that Paul said, “Be imitators of me just as I also am of Christ.” And then in Philippians 4, the things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me. Practice these things and the God of peace will be with you.

    So as elders, our role is not only to set an example for you, but to give you specific patterns to follow, tracks to run on, as I like to say. Our role, and it’s hard to do, is to make it clear to you both as a congregation and in your individual contexts to help you discern what does God want me to do? What does following him mean?

    That’s a role for us. I think in some ways it is reflective of the Holy Spirit in us. What does the Holy Spirit do for us, right? He makes us alive in Christ. Now that’s beyond our pay grade as others teach us to understand God’s word. But it says he’s the paraclete. He’s the helper. He’s with us. He’s walking with us to actually do it.

    I believe as parents that’s what God calls us to. And as shepherds that’s what God calls us to: to be personally engaged with people in helping them to follow Christ. As I like to say, telling someone what to do from a distance is no substitute for showing them what to do up close.

    “Telling someone what to do from a distance is no substitute for showing them what to do up close.”

    And I know for me, it’s kind of embarrassing. I’ll give you a little example of how I didn’t do well with this. As our kids were growing up, I wanted them to develop a habit of being in God’s word daily. And so with the older kids, as I was a younger parent, I showed them what I do in terms of preparing their heart, praying certain things, reading things, maybe journaling a little bit. I just maybe showed it to them once or twice and said, “Go do it.” I know you laugh, right? That’s ridiculous. It didn’t work very well.

    The Shepherd’s Role: Feeding the Sheep

    But as time went on, I said, “I think I need to just sit and do it with them more and show them.” I’m not sure I ever got great at that, but I got better, I think. And that’s what God calls shepherds to do and parents to do, to be quite honest. Feed, right?

    And I will give you shepherds after my own heart who will feed you on knowledge and understanding.

    Jeremiah 3 has some really interesting words about what God called his priests, his shepherds to do and what they weren’t doing. It’s quite an indictment actually.

    You’re not feeding the sheep. You’re feeding yourselves. You’re enriching yourselves. You’re not enriching the sheep. Contrary to God’s heart.

    Who then is the faithful and prudent slave whom the master put in charge of his household to give them their food at the proper time? Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes. This is what God calls his shepherds to do when he comes back. They should be in the business of feeding the sheep, doing his work.

    Spurgeon said, “A time will come when instead of shepherds feeding the sheep, the church will have clowns entertaining the goats.” Don’t we see that? Let’s feed the sheep.

    “A time will come when instead of shepherds feeding the sheep, the church will have clowns entertaining the goats.”

    That’s our heart. This is not fun and games. Hopefully, it’s fun. Hopefully, it’s joyful. But it’s more than that.

    The Shepherd’s Role: Protecting the Sheep

    And then the last role. The role of the shepherd is to know, lead, feed, and finally, as I’ve alluded to, protect the sheep. “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.” He was a hired hand and not a shepherd who is not the owner of the sheep. Sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees.

    And the wolf snatches and scatters them because he has a hired hand and is not concerned about the sheep. “I am the good shepherd and I know my own and my own know me.”

    John 10:11: “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.”

    Earlier on in verse five, Jesus says, “A stranger they will never follow but will flee from him because they do not know the voice of strangers.” This is where the whole concept of wolves and sheep in sheep’s clothing comes from.

    Dangerous wolves arising from among you as it says in Acts 20.

    I can think of at least one situation where it was very clear that a wolf was attacking the sheep. And I would rather not have been bothered with handling that. We as a group would rather not. It was hard. But when you realize this reality, we’ve got to protect the sheep. We’ve got to do something here. And so you could see how that requires both supernatural strength, supernatural resolve, drawing on the example of Jesus. And it’s this concept that will unfold more when we talk about church discipline next week. It really is about this shepherding aspect of protecting the sheep. And as we read earlier, be on guard. Be on guard for yourselves. It’s really interesting how the warnings were there for wolves and false doctrine very early on. Even Jesus spoke of this, and by the end of the New Testament they had already appeared. This was not theoretical in the Bible.

    Elder Rule in Plurality

    When we enter into that topic next week, church discipline, think this is your reference point. This is your reference point. The shepherd protecting the sheep.

    Okay, couple things. Some of you may have heard different terms about this: elder versus elder rule, different ways that people define this. I’m going to go back to Titus 1:5.

    For this reason, I left you and create that you would set in order what remains and appoint elders in every city as I directed you.

    Appointing Elders: The Biblical Pattern

    How are elders determined?

    I think you hopefully see by now it’s not by popular vote. Elders are not elected or voted on. They’re affirmed by the congregation. You saw we went through that process and asked for feedback, which is vital for us. But qualified elders are appointed by qualified elders. That’s just how that goes. I think we saw in Acts 6 that when they were selecting men to serve tables versus minister the word, select men of a certain character, right? It’s not a signup list where you ask for someone to volunteer or who’s the most popular guys. We see this also in Exodus 18. And you may remember that sequence where Moses sat from morning to evening judging the people, and his father-in-law Jethro came and saw this and gave him some really good counsel. He said you will surely wear yourself out, you and the people. And then it gave him specific criteria for selecting certain men who would be qualified to lead.

    And so I know there are various forms of church government in terms of selecting, voting, things like that. But the biblical pattern is appointing by qualified elders and affirming by the church. And that’s what we try to practice here.

    “The biblical pattern is appointing by qualified elders and affirming by the church.”

    Elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. And that’s where we get the concept of vocational elders. Not all of us are vocational. This isn’t our main job, but we have one who is, and actually two, as pastor Bobby is in emeritus status. Lord willing, God will provide another pastor for us when he retires. But that’s kind of where we get the concept of paid pastors. So elders are to be appointed by qualified elders after testing and examination among the local congregation. That is the biblical pattern.

    Biblical Leadership vs. Worldly Leadership

    Okay, I mentioned this before. When we think biblical leadership, we think service. Think about that upside down triangle, right? The rulers of the Gentiles lorded over them and their great men exercise authority over them. It is not this way among you.

    Could it be clearer?

    I’m very wary when I’m in churches or see church leaders say we can draw from the corporate world for models of leadership, maybe with some logistical or administrative things, but not with leadership. You distinctly should not do that. I’ll say it this way: the church has more to tell the world than the world has to tell the church. It’s so funny. Some of you in corporate environments—the phrase servant leadership has been kind of co-opted in some business environments. Oh, we do servant leadership. Okay, you say that. Show me what that looks like. And when I’ve had conversations with people about where that term servant leadership comes from, I mention Jesus and it becomes a very short conversation. Most of the time they don’t want to hear anything about that.

    “The church has more to tell the world than the world has to tell the church.”

    Sometimes it’s a good conversation. Most of the time, oh yeah, you want to take this marvelous concept that God has given and act like you came up with it. Yeah, I don’t think so. I don’t think so.

    Q&A: Questioning and Following Leadership

    No one leads like Jesus. And as we’ve said, I think this is worth reflecting on. I encourage you to reflect on this for next week. Fellow elders, shepherding not under compulsion, not because we have to, but because we want to. I think we saw in the qualifications that if anyone desires the office of an overseer, it is a good work he desires to do. And as I’ve said, I don’t think anyone in their right mind, in one sense in the flesh, would desire to do that because it’s a lot. It requires supernatural strength. But to those whom God has given that desire and are in the right spot, that’s what you want. And so our job is to do it not because we have to but because we want to.

    In the Christian life, sometimes the “have to” and the “want to” need to come together. You understand this, right? That’s what you want. And then us to follow, even us with one another as elders, to submit to one another’s authority. There’s great protection in that.

    I’m going to propose a couple of questions to you. But before I go through these for your own consideration, let me open it up. I know I’ve given you a lot. Do you have questions? We have Arthur up here.

    Thank you, Tony. For the sake of time, forgive me. This is going to be very brief. It’s going to be very awkward for me to say this, but I say it to the entire church. I’m hoping that our church will give another teaching on our responsibility to follow our leaders. And this is why I say this: as members of the church, we need to understand that there are times when we have to question our leadership.

    That’s right.

    And a good example, even though Peter was an elder, Paul corrected Peter, right?

    He corrected Peter and he did it in front of everyone.

    Yeah.

    I’m not suggesting that was very sensitive. But what I’m saying is, for someone who has been in five different churches, and every church I was in, I was recognized as being someone that was gifted with teaching. And I went through the process that is described today. And of the five churches that I was in, only one of them was a church that I believe had sound doctrine.

    Okay?

    And in that church, I learned something: there are times when you have to question leadership. The last church I was at, Mark knows this church. I was an elder there. Because I had my own church for over twelve or thirteen years, when I went into that church, I went in with the attitude that I taught the people of my church. I would deliberately make mistakes sometimes to check to see if people would come and correct me, to show them that I’m not infallible.

    See, I don’t do that deliberately. I just do it.

    Yeah.

    But again, I say this briefly: I would hope that our leadership would offer a class where we talk to the members and teach us how to approach our leaders, and not blindly follow them.

    I appreciate that, and let me try to build some of that in to next week. That’s a great thing because there’s great protection in the plurality of elders as we’re accountable to one another and we have very frank conversations, and we value that. We treasure that. We need that. But we also need that feedback from you. I think you can see that if Paul invited that feedback, none of us are above him.

    “If Paul invited that feedback, none of us are above him.”

    Follow me as I follow Christ. And some of you have actually done that with me. And I really appreciate that. How can we be credible teachers if we’re not teachable, right? I think we’ve talked about this.

    Proverbs 12:1 says, “He who hates reproof is stupid.” So that’s pretty plain. Glenda, you had something.

    Going into that as an elder.

    Hold on just a second. We want the online folks to hear you. Okay.

    Going into that role as an elder, how does someone take that role very seriously? Because the people that they are preaching to, the elder has to give an account to God for everyone that they teach. So how is it a fearful position you’re going into, knowing your responsibility, knowing you have to answer God for all of those people you’re teaching?

    In the interest of time, I’m just going to give a brief answer to that, but I want to explore that more next week. That’s such a great question. James says, “Let not many of you desire to be teachers because as such you have stricter accountability.” You quoted it right from Hebrews 13. We have to give an account for your souls. This is heavy. This weighs heavy. This is what keeps us looking to Christ because we are not all that. We can’t fulfill that perfectly. And if we’re not following Christ, we’re going to miss that.

    I know for me in my first role, I had to be dragged into it. I was asked and I’m like, I don’t think I’m ready. You have to tell me why you think I’m ready because I was scared, and I think legitimately so. If we’re not scared, if we’re not living in the fear of God in a positive way, then something’s wrong. So again, please pray for us. Okay, let me pray.

    Closing Prayer

    Father, I’m so thankful to be here with people who have a heart for you and have a heart for your word. I’m so thankful to be with elders who know you, know your word, teach well, men that I can learn from, that we can learn from one another. And most of all, we worship you.

    The great shepherd of the sheep who laid down his life for us, who speaks to us, who guides us, who strengthens us, who does everything for us. Father, we want to follow you in the roles that you’ve given us. Help us to do that. Father, protect us from exalting ourselves, but as the psalmist said, the Lord be magnified. May that be our heart in Jesus’ name. Amen.

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    Believer’s Baptism by Immersion, Questions

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    Summary

    This lesson addresses common questions and objections regarding believers baptism by immersion. We are reminded that baptism is not a means of salvation but an obedient testimony of saving faith, and that the Bible’s teaching on justification by faith alone must govern how we interpret passages that seem to link baptism with salvation.

    Key Lessons:

    1. Baptism is the first and quickest proof that salvation by faith is real — it does not accomplish salvation but demonstrates it.
    2. The baptism of the Holy Spirit occurs at conversion, not as a separate later empowering event, and water baptism symbolizes this spiritual reality.
    3. The early church’s embrace of baptismal regeneration and infant baptism, while historically significant, must be evaluated against Scripture rather than accepted as authoritative tradition.
    4. The argument connecting circumcision to baptism as a basis for infant baptism is an inference from a theological system rather than from the direct teaching of Scripture.

    Application: We are called to take baptism seriously as a commanded act of obedience — not delaying it out of apathy, yet not treating it as a saving work. We should be willing to submit to our church elders’ counsel on matters of baptism and church membership, even when our personal convictions may differ.

    Discussion Questions:

    1. How does understanding that baptism is a testimony rather than a saving act change the way we view our own baptism and encourage others toward it?
    2. How should we respond to Christians from traditions that practice infant baptism or baptismal regeneration — and where is the line between tolerance and correction?
    3. In what ways might we be guilty of treating baptism too casually, and what does a willing refusal to be baptized reveal about the genuineness of someone’s faith?

    Scripture Focus: Ephesians 2:8-10 and Galatians 2:16 establish that salvation is by grace through faith apart from works. 1 Peter 3:21 clarifies that baptism saves not as a ritual but as an appeal to God from a good conscience. Matthew 3:11, John 1:33, and Acts 1:5 define the baptism of the Holy Spirit as believers’ union with God at conversion. Colossians 2:11-12 is examined regarding the circumcision-baptism connection.

    Outline

    Introduction

    All right. Well, good morning to this smaller group of person with interesting weather conditions. I do appreciate your being here and I say hello to all of you who are necessarily online today. But welcome back to our defending distinctive Sunday school.

    Last time we began examining the controversial issue of baptism and I over the mic and hopefully those online will be able to hear me soon. But your elders are convinced here of the position that the Bible prescribes only believers baptism and that by immers So there we are. Okay. Hopefully now you hear me online. The microphone is on.

    We’re looking at the second part of our examination of the Bible’s teaching on baptism. We do hold to believers baptism by immersion. Last week I overviewed this position. This week we’re looking at common questions and objections to our position. So the agenda for today’s class is pretty straightforward. We will begin with a short review. Then we will look at about nine questions and objections. Maybe we’ll have a time for a tenth bonus one and then we’ll do questions from you if there’s time. But it’s a lot of material to get through today. So we will see. Let me pray.

    Heavenly Father, we thank you for your Bible’s teaching. We thank you for the ordinance of baptism and how you’ve given it to us and what it signifies and how it brings back to mind these beautiful salvation realities. I pray that I’d be able to communicate this well and you’d equip us for handling some of the controversy and confusion around baptism today in Jesus name.

    Amen.

    Amen.

    Review of Key Questions

    All right. So, let’s begin with review.

    I went over five questions in the last class and we’ll briefly go through those and what the answers are. What is baptism? Well, we often call it an ordinance. That is it is one of two ordained rights ries commanded by Jesus for his church. A a memorial ceremony, a right to go through. More specifically, baptism is the obedient testimony of a new believer’s faith, faith in and saving union with Jesus Christ as symbolized by that believer’s being immersed in and raised up out of water. Who should baptize? Christians should. It’s part of the great commission. But best practice is that baptism should take place in a church assembly by a qualified church leader. Who should be baptized? Only believers. The Bible’s prescribed that is commanded and described pattern is repentance and faith and then baptism.

    How should a person be baptized? By immersion in water. This is what the word baptized means from the Greek and this is the sense we get in the described baptisms in the Bible.

    What does baptism mean or signify in itself? It is not a means of spiritual cleansing or saving grace, but it is the obedient testimony of faith in and union with Christ with multiple implications.

    “Baptism is not a means of spiritual cleansing or saving grace, but the obedient testimony of faith in and union with Christ.”

    And we went over seven of those last time, including being joined to Christ’s church. This proper meaning it is tied to the proper persons and mode. If you don’t baptize believers but other people or if you do it by sprinkling you confuse the picture that baptism is meant to communicate. All right. So that’s the review. If you want more information about that side of it, go back to last week’s lesson. But let’s now face some common questions and objections. And we did touch on a few of these last time. We’ll try and get through nine of them. Some of them are real quick and some of them take a little bit more explanation.

    How Public Does Baptism Need to Be?

    First, how public does baptism need to be? How public does baptism need to be?

    No hard and fast rule from scripture.

    However, considering what baptism represents, what we went over last time, it makes sense to do it in a setting in which a meaningful portion of the church is present. Doesn’t necessarily have to be the whole church, but it should be some representative portion. In some places, this might take place in a very secret church meeting. In other places, this can be very open. It can be totally public. You go to the local river or whatever it is and and you do a baptism there. It’s going to depend. We don’t want to fear man or be ashamed of Jesus.

    “Considering what baptism represents, it makes sense to do it where a meaningful portion of the church is present.”

    But we also don’t want to invite unnecessary danger or persecution. We compare some of the principles from Matthew 10:16. Be shrewd as serpents but innocent as doves. Jesus sends us out as lambs in the midst of wolves. But John 12:42 and 43. We don’t want to be like those who believed in Jesus but wouldn’t confess him because they love the approval of men rather than the approval of God. So it’s going to be a little bit of a tension there and it’s going to vary depending on the situation.

    Why Do We Delay Baptism?

    Number two, why do we delay baptism with things like classes when the new meth new testament pattern is baptism taking place pretty much immediately after someone’s profession of faith.

    Okay. It is significant that the pattern in Acts is immediate baptism after profession. But an important interpretation principle for us to keep in mind is that just because something happens descriptively in a narrative portion of the Bible does not necessarily mean it is prescriptive.

    “Just because something happens descriptively in a narrative does not necessarily mean it is prescriptive.”

    That is that you must do it, you must follow that example, you must obey that command. We must subject whatever we see by way of example in the narratives with what the Bible says explicitly in its teaching portions. So the letters of the New Testament they supersede they they show us how we should understand the narrative portions of it like the book of acts. Now in those teaching portions we don’t have a rule about the speed of baptism. This is the same thing for celebration of the lord’s table.

    Sometimes people say why don’t we celebrate the lord’s table every week.

    They were doing that in the book of acts or they did it every time they came together. Okay that’s how they did it but it’s not necessarily prescribed for Jesus church for all time. And when you look at the rest of the New Testament, there’s no command there. It just says as often as you celebrate. Similarly, when it comes to baptism, it says do it.

    The Unique Context of Early Church Baptisms

    Doesn’t say how long you should wait or if you should wait. It just says do it. Now, something that is important for us in terms of understanding this issue to observe is that the first Christian baptisms in the book of Acts, they were administered in a unique context. And that is clearly because it’s the apostles who are preaching the gospel and then people getting baptized right afterwards. These were authoritative gospel presentations.

    You don’t have to worry like, oh, I don’t I don’t know if those people heard the true gospel and actually responded to it because who are these guys? They’re the apostles. So yes, they’re going to authoritative authoritatively declare the gospel. There’s no question that people are responding to a true gospel presentation. And also in this early church context, in the New Testament church context, there’s a clear danger of persecution for getting baptized and identifying with Jesus in his church. It’s not like, oh everybody’s getting baptized, I’m going to get baptized, too. It’s more like, whoa, this is serious. If I get baptized, I’m inviting excommunication from my community and perhaps injury and death.

    “The first Christian baptisms in Acts were administered in a unique context — authoritative gospel presentations by the apostles.”

    Contrast that with today where there are multiplied Christian gospels as well as multiplied baptism understandings. And in large sectors of the world, becoming a Christian or being baptized, it risks relatively little for your life. And the United States is probably one of those places. In comparison of maybe some other places, you’re being baptized doesn’t invite the overturning of your life like it does in other places.

    Wisdom in Slowing Down the Process

    Thus, we as elders at Calvary see wisdom in slowing down the baptism process to make sure that those who desire to be baptized truly understand the gospel, truly understand baptism, and truly understand church membership. That is, being part of a church.

    We don’t want to make the baptism process too slow or needlessly difficult. We want to have regular baptism classes, baptism membership classes, and we don’t want those classes to be too long. But we also don’t want to rush to affirm a testimony that we simply aren’t sure about.

    “We see wisdom in slowing down the baptism process to make sure those who desire baptism truly understand the gospel.”

    Even slowing down does not yield perfect results, but it’s better than if we didn’t slow down. Just say, “Oh, you profess Christ. We’re going to dunk you in the water right away.” Like, “Okay, what did you actually profess? What does it mean to be a Christian? What does it mean to be baptized?” Now, I grant that in other contexts where it’s clearer person’s understandings of the gospel or the persecution threat is more obvious and sharper that you might have a quicker baptism. Maybe in a largely Muslim country, you’re getting baptized is not one of those things where you have to wait as long because people understand what that really means. I could die if I get baptized.

    But there might be other reasons for delaying there. I I’m not particularly sure. But I’m saying what we do here is not necessarily what you have to do in all places of the world. But there are reasons for there are good reasons for slowing down just a little bit somebody’s baptism at profession. And interestingly, we’re not the only Christians in history who have thought this. Even in the late 1st century going into the second century, some Christians in the Roman Empire were concluding that it would be wise to slow down baptisms to make sure that people really understand what they’re getting into.

    Why Require Believers Baptism for the Lord’s Table?

    So that’s the answer there. Number three, why do we require believers baptism for celebrating the Lord’s table? This is a common question from visitors to our church. They’re getting ready to celebrate the Lord’s table and we say, “Oh, only if you’ve been baptized as a believer.” Why that rule? Why that distinction?

    Well, again, that’s not something that’s spelled out in the Bible. And different churches and different elders of churches might have different stances on this, and that’s okay.

    But we do it this way because of what we talked about last time. Baptism represents initiation into Christ and into his body. If you’re joined to Christ by union, then you are necessarily joined to his church. It doesn’t make sense to participate in the other right representing union with Christ and his church in a continued way if you haven’t first done the right of being initiated into Christ and his church. The Lord’s table in many ways it is a memorial of your continued union and fellowship with Christ and his people. So why would you say I’m going to do the continue the right of continuation when you haven’t done the right of initiation?

    “It doesn’t make sense to participate in the rite of continuation when you haven’t done the rite of initiation.”

    It makes sense that you do baptism and then you can celebrate the Lord’s table.

    And again, we’re not the first ones to see this. The dedicay, the baptism handbook composed in the late first century. It makes the same recommendation. It says if people haven’t been baptized, they shouldn’t celebrate the Lord’s table. So that was even in the late first century. Again, that’s not a hard and fast rule, but because of what baptism represents, we hold to that position here. Yeah, Dwayne, you’re gonna say something.

    Yeah. No, because we delay baptism because of class.

    A person may want to be there’s no person in the class. Would it be okay to participate?

    Have first class.

    That’s a good question. Dwayne asks because of what I just shared and this whole idea that we do also delay the baptisms for people to be able to go into a class. What if somebody signs up to be baptized to to go through the class? Are they allowed to participate in the Lord’s table?

    While they wait for that to actually happen because their heart is there.

    They’re looking to be obedient and there there’s just a delay and so they want to obey the Lord and observing the Lord’s table at the same time. I’d have to think about that more. My my initial thought is comes down to the conscience of the person who’s doing that. I I think it’d be fine if the person said, “I haven’t been baptized yet. I’m going to wait.” Or other people say, “Well, I’ve signed up and I’m ready to be baptized and so I think it’s okay for me to participate.” I my initial thought is I I would leave that up to the individual.

    I don’t think it would be wrong for that person to do it. They’re they’re following the intent of what we’re what we’re trying to the the order that we’re trying to emphasize in baptism before Lord’s table. But I had to think about that more. Good question. All right, keep moving on.

    Why Baptize Only Prospective Members?

    These are all related. You can see why do we baptize only prospective members?

    Why do we only baptize those who are going to become members at our church?

    Okay. Well, church membership that also is a concept that is not spelled out specifically in the Bible. Yet, it is assumed. Commitment to a local church is assumed or implied in the descriptions of the Bible. For example, in Acts 5:14, it says those who were converted were added to their number, the known number of believers and even the believers of that local church gathering or gatherings in that particular city.

    Again, thinking about what baptism represents. Baptism represents immersion into Christ and into his body, the church.

    So it wouldn’t make sense for one to embrace the symbol. Oh yeah, I got to be obedient, be baptized, but not the reality that the symbol depicts. Oh, I’m I don’t need to be part of a church. I don’t need to be meaningfully committed to a church. Thus, we say if you want to get baptized, but you don’t want to become a member, let’s slow down. I don’t think you quite understand baptism or the basics of the Christian life, especially the Christians need for the church. Or if you do want to get baptized and you do want to join the church, but just not this church. Okay.

    “It wouldn’t make sense to embrace the symbol but not the reality that the symbol depicts.”

    Well, let the church that you do want to join be the one that baptizes you because then the symbol makes sense most meaningfully. You’re being integrated as a member at that church, being immersed into Christ’s body and showing it in your participation at that local church.

    We do want you to be baptized. We just wanted to make sense with what baptism actually signifies.

    Should I Get Baptized Again?

    So, a lot of explaining of why we do things a certain way. Number five, should I get baptized again if I was perhaps baptized wrongly?

    And the answer here is it depends.

    If there was something wrong with the baptizer, you say, “Oh, that person later departed from the faith or that person was in secret sin while I was being baptized.” Well, then most of the time the answer is going to be no. You don’t need to be rebaptized. The validity of your baptism is not dependent on the one who baptized you but the fact that it was before witnesses and that it was before God and the act is ultimately dependent on him.

    If you were baptized though not as a believer then yes you should get rebaptized because what you testified before in baptism was not true.

    “If you were baptized not as a believer, then yes you should get rebaptized because what you testified before was not true.”

    So you should set the record straight and give a genuine obedient testimony by baptism now. So if you were baptized as a baby and only later came to faith, you should get rebaptized. Or if you got baptized but you didn’t really believe the gospel at that time and understand it, now that you do, you should get rebaptized.

    When the Mode Was Different

    Now what if you were baptized as a believer but not in the proper mode?

    If you were sprinkle baptism or poured baptism or it was just you and one other person, not really corresponding to what baptism represents and and the be best practice for doing that. Should you get rebaptized? Well, submit to your elders council about that. It’s not necessarily true that a private baptism or baptisms by sprinkling or pouring are invalid. In extreme cases, we would agree with others in church history would say that these are valid. So if they’re okay in extreme cases, then they could be okay in less than extreme cases. The basic elements are there, even if it’s not quite picturing baptism as God intended.

    Nevertheless, some churches and church elders might require another baptism just so that there’s no question that you and they have done everything rightly. And that’s the position that we take here.

    If you were if you wanted to become a member here, then we would ask if you were baptized by immersion. And if you weren’t, we would say, “Well, are you willing to be baptized by immersion just so that we and you can say you’ve done it exactly as God intended.” We’re not in in asking you to do this, we’re not saying that your previous baptism was false and that you’ve been in sin this whole time. No, it we’re just saying that as God has called you to be baptized, so he has called us to baptize. And we want to do it in the way that he told us to.

    It’s not a sin. It’s not a discounting of your previous baptism to get baptized again. You can’t don’t don’t say to yourself, “Oh man, if I get baptized again, I think it was valid, but they don’t think it was valid. If I go through with this, I’m basically confessing that I wasn’t valid.” No, no, no. We’re not saying that.

    We’re just as you understand the full significance of baptism and its proper mode, we want to make it clear that you’ve done exactly as God would command you to. And really, it’s just another great opportunity for you to testifi testify about Christ’s grace in your life and how he saved you and how he’s continuing to sanctify you.

    “It’s just another great opportunity for you to testify about Christ’s grace in your life.”

    I would I don’t know just personally, I feel like I’d be happy to get baptized again if there was a need because like another opportunity to declare Christ.

    That’s great.

    It also is a clear signal about your willingness to submit to your local church elders even in matters in which your convictions are different. You may say, “I think it’s totally valid. I’m convinced that before God, but because you’ve asked me as elders to to be rebaptized, I’m willing to do that because I want to show my my submission to you here.” So that’s my answer for number five.

    What Is the Baptism of the Spirit?

    Number six, what is the baptism of the spirit and is it connected to water baptism at all?

    Key Texts on Spirit Baptism

    Okay, aside from John the Baptist baptism of repentance, there are three main baptisms described in the New Testament. There’s baptism in water, there’s baptism into Christ, and there’s baptism with or in the Holy Spirit. And these latter two baptisms are interrelated. And water baptism is the symbol of both. Now, key texts for understanding baptism of the spirit are three that I put on or I’ve mentioned as references on the screen, and I’ll read them to you. First, Matthew 3:11.

    Matthew 3:11, this is John the Baptist speaking. He says, “As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I’m not fit to remove his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.” Okay, who’s the one coming after John? This is Jesus Christ. And so John is saying Jesus is the one who would bring about a greater baptism than even John has. Jesus will baptize with the Holy Spirit for his people. John contrast himself. I baptize with water. He will baptize with the Holy Spirit.

    John 133. John 133. This is John the Baptist again.

    I did not recognize him. But he who sent me to baptize in water said to me, “He upon whom you see the spirit descending and remaining upon him, this is the one who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.” So in many ways, that’s the same thing that we read from Matthew. But notice though we do have the contrast again. I baptize in water. He baptizes with the spirit. It’s actually not the word with there. It’s in the Holy Spirit. He baptizes in the Holy Spirit. Enter into the Holy Spirit.

    John 1:33: “He upon whom you see the spirit descending and remaining upon him, this is the one who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.”

    And then Acts 15, Acts 15, this is Jesus now speaking. Acts 15, for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now. Now, John 1, Acts 15 is significant in the context of those two other verses that we read because Jesus by his words is alluding to John the Baptist’s earlier prophecy about Jesus baptism with the Holy Spirit. Notice the contrast again in Acts 15. Jesus says, “John baptized with water.” But there’s a greater baptism coming. And what is it? It’s baptism with the Holy Spirit.

    And when’s it going to happen? Not many days from now. Okay. What is that?

    What’s the what’s the event that’s going to take place? Not many days from now in which Jesus was speaking the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit visibly came down upon the church. And the apostles then began speaking about Jesus in languages that they had never trained in before. Known human languages they were able to speak miraculously the truths about God. So notice Jesus connects his imminent baptism baptizing by and in the Holy Spirit with the coming of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost to indwell believers. Okay, piecing those three verses together, the explanation the baptism of the spirit is pretty simple.

    To be baptized by Jesus in the Holy Spirit is to be placed in the spirit and have to and to have the spirit placed into you. Or in other words, baptism of the Holy Spirit refers to believers union with God by faith and the believers being indwelt by God through the Holy Spirit.

    “To be baptized by Jesus in the Holy Spirit is to be placed in the spirit and to have the spirit placed into you.”

    Now, this should sound a little bit familiar because one of the concepts I tried to explain last time is that baptism represents immersion into the whole godhead.

    Just as Jesus baptizes us in the spirit, the spirit baptizes us into Christ and into Christ’s church. 1 Corinthians 12:13 says 1 Corinthians 12:13, we saw this verse last time. For by one spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one spirit.

    When Does Spirit Baptism Take Place?

    So answer me this, when do these spiritual baptisms take place? When is a person baptized into Christ? And when is a person baptized into the spirit?

    A conversion. It’s when you repent and believe. And water baptism or water baptism is just a testimony of such.

    “When is a person baptized into Christ and into the spirit? At conversion — when you repent and believe.”

    Again, this is why I said baptism is a memorial of our immersion in the whole godhead. In baptism, you are also testifying, I have been immersed in the spirit, and the spirit has been immersed into me. And there and thereby, I have the whole godhead. I am in union with the whole trinity.

    The Baptism of Fire

    By the way, going back to Matthew 3:11, what is the baptism of fire that Jesus is said to bring?

    Judgement.

    It is judgment. Some people sometimes connect the baptism of fire with the fiery tongues at the day of Pentecost or even of just zeal and love for God. Oh, God, just set me on fire. But there might be a right way to use that metaphor, but that’s not the way that John is using it in Matthew 3. Because the very next verse, right after Matthew 3:11, we have this in Matthew 3:12.

    His winnowing fork, that’s the one coming after me, Jesus, his winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will thoroughly clear his threshing floor, and he will gather his wheat into the barn, but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

    Okay, I think he clarified what the baptism of fire means there. It’s judgment. It’s judgment on those who won’t believe.

    “He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. The baptism of fire is judgment on those who won’t believe.”

    So, as one of my professors said at seminary, you can believe and be baptized with the spirit or you can refuse and be baptized with the fire of judgment.

    Now, somebody pointed out to me last week that it’s kind of striking that in baptism, you go into the water and then you come out of the water. And if we think of the way that 1 Peter 3 describes it, that water is in in one sense the judgment of God. So you you pass through the judgment safely and you come up out of the water. But for those who don’t believe, they go into the water and they don’t come out.

    Jesus is saying the same truth or rather John the Baptist is saying the same truth by a different metaphor. He will baptize with the spirit but he will also baptize with fire. Which one do you want?

    The Charismatic View of Spirit Baptism

    Now saying all this we should note that baptism of the Holy Spirit has a different meaning in charismatic theology. Pentecostal charismatic background.

    They use this term to describe something different than what the Bible describes.

    The Pentecostal idea is that only sometime after you are saved you receive the baptism of the spirit which is an empowering event. And when you receive this baptism, it is evidenced by your speaking in tongues and it opens the door to the exercise of other miraculous gifts in your life. So where do they get this from if it’s not biblical? Well, they pattern it off the experience of the apostles and others in the early church, the New Testament church, who already believed in Jesus and only later received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit’s empowerment as obviously displayed in the use of tongues. So we see that on the day of Pentecost, these disciples already believe and then they’re baptized with the spirit and then some others in the book of Acts who apparently already believe and only later they receive the obvious confirmation of being able to speak in tongues and and being baptized by the Holy Spirit.

    But that’s not what the Bible would lead us to understand. Why not?

    This stance that charismatics, those of a charismatic persuasion often hold, it does not recognize what we said in the beginning that the narrative texts are subservient to the didactic text, to the teaching text, what you see in the book of Acts, it has to be interpreted by what you see in the New Testament letters of instruction. But also this stance seeing baptism of the spirit as a later empowering event. It does not recognize that the book of acts describes a unique transition period in the church. A period that is not normative for the church today wasn’t even normative for the New Testament church. It quickly what you see in the beginning of book of acts that’s not what you see in the rest of the book of acts or in the letters where you had before the day of pentecost it was possible for believers to believe in Jesus but not have the holy spirit but after the different sectors of the church were obviously welcomed in the Jews the Samaritans the Gentiles some longlost disciples of John the Baptist once they’re all officially confirmed in with the obvious coming down of the spirit and speaking in tongues. There’s no need for that anymore. Anybody who’s converted in any of those backgrounds has the spirit when they believe. Which is why Romans 8:9 says Romans 8:9.

    However, you are not in the flesh but in the spirit. If indeed the spirit of God dwells in you, but if anyone does not have the spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him.

    There’s no separating the baptism or indwelling of the spirit from conversion anymore. In that unique transition period in Acts, yeah, you do see a little bit of separation and delay, but not anymore. And so charismatics, even those who may hold to the true gospel, they are an error in teaching a separate baptism of the spirit.

    Romans 8:9: “If anyone does not have the spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him.”

    Now, whether miraculous gifts continue in the church today is a separate issue.

    We’ll cover it in a second separate Sunday school lesson.

    Okay, now we’re getting to some real biggies here. Next question.

    Is Baptism Necessary for Salvation?

    Why do some New Testament passages seem to indicate that baptism is necessary for salvation? We saw this last time.

    This idea that baptism is necessary for salvation in some way. It falls under the term baptismal regeneration, which is a doctrine which many sectors of so-called Christianity hold to. The Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Church of Christ, that denomination, they hold to in some measure that you must be baptized in order to be saved. You must be literally baptized in order to be saved. Now, it’s true that some passages at first at first glance, they seem to teach this in the Bible. And so, I’ve noted them as problem texts and and I’ll I’ll mention them for you. Mark 16:16. Mark 16:16.

    Now, this isn’t a section of the Bible which we have good reason to believe was not part of Mark’s original gospel, but it’s in our Bibles and it’s sometimes cited. Mark 16:16 says, “He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved, but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.” John 3:5 John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly I say to you, unless one is born of water and the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Acts 22:16.

    This I have now confirmed this was Ananas speaking to Paul. I I didn’t remember who was saying this to Paul at that time last lesson. Acts 22:16, Ananas says to Paul, “Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized and wash away your sins.” calling on his name.

    And then 1 Peter 3:21, 1 Peter 3:21, corresponding to that dark going through the flood, baptism now saves you not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Okay, that’s more than one verse. Does baptism save? Is baptism necessary for salvation? Well, in understanding these texts, as we would with any text of the Bible, we must compare it to the rest of scripture. These indivi individual passages must be compared with the rest of scripture. And when we do this, we’re confronted with a fundamental problem.

    “These individual passages must be compared with the rest of Scripture.”

    Salvation by Grace Through Faith, Not Works

    And that is the rest of the scriptures indicate that while something like baptism may be important, it cannot be necessary for salvation, it cannot accomplish any redemptive work on behalf of believers. Because no work is necessary for salvation for believers.

    No work can secure cleansing from sin.

    It is only by grace through faith.

    Ephesians 2:8-10. Ephesians 2:8-10.

    For by grace you have been saved. You have been saved through faith. And that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, so that we would walk in them.

    Ephesians 2:8-9: “By grace you have been saved through faith. And that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, not as a result of works.”

    Galatians 2:16 is another example. I could put many more, of course, but Galatians 2:16. Nevertheless, knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but through faith in Christ Jesus. Even we, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, since by the works of the law, no flesh will be justified.

    Now, proponents of baptism and regeneration will try and get around verses like this that will say you’re justified by faith. You’re justified by faith. They’ll get they try and get around verses by this by saying baptism is not a work. Baptism is a gift.

    Baptism is a gift of God’s grace. It is not a work.

    The salvation or the initial justification that comes by baptism, it’s not something you can merit. Not by a work, not by faith, not by repentance.

    It’s just a free undeserved gift from God. And so, you can’t call it a work.

    Baptism Is Not a Work That Saves

    Okay, that’s a nice bit of rhetoric, but that’s an unjustified redefinition of work.

    Anything that you can do externally which is necessary for your salvation, whether it’s baptism or circumcision or confession or testimony or prayer, anything external that’s required for salvation, must be a work. That’s what a work is because you can actually do it. It’s an action you take on the outside. That’s the definition of a work. And the Bible says no human work can bring about or contribute to salvation.

    “Anything external that’s required for salvation must be a work. And the Bible says no human work can bring about salvation.”

    You can say, “Oh, but it’s it’s grace enabled or it’s God-given. It’s still a work.” And the Bible says, “No work, no work will contribute to your salvation.

    You’re justified by faith.” Salvation doesn’t happen even by a mental exertion, much less a physical.

    Salvation happens how? By repentance and faith. And what is repentance most literally?

    It’s a turn where?

    In your heart. It’s a change of heart.

    It’s a change of mind about yourself, about your sin, about God. And no man can accomplish this for himself. God must do it by his grace.

    You cannot change your own heart. You cannot change your own mind. That has to be done by somebody else.

    And yet the Bible says this is how we are saved by a change of heart.

    Baptism as Proof of Saving Faith

    So then what do we do with these baptism verses? Why do the problematic verses so closely link baptism with salvation even salvation by faith? Hang on let me let me come back if you still have a question after I give a little bit more explanation. Why is there this such a intimate link in these verses? The answer is because baptism is the first and in the New Testament church the quickest proof or piece of evidence that your salvation by faith is real.

    Baptism is the first and the quickest proof in that context that your salvation by faith is real. To say that another way, if you say you believe in Jesus, but you’re not willing immediately to identify with Jesus and his brethren by undergoing this commanded water, right? Then your salvation testimony is unbelievable.

    It’s probably false.

    As we saw in the gospel lessons that Mark walked us through, salvation is by faith alone. Yet true faith will always manifest in good works, baptism included.

    “Baptism is the first and quickest proof that your salvation by faith is real.”

    Now citing here James 2:14-17 doesn’t mention baptism specifically, but again the connection between faith and works.

    James 2:14-17.

    What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith, but he has no works?

    Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed, and be filled, and yet you do not give him what is necessary for their body,” what use is that? Even so, faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.

    The Parallel of Verbal Confession

    Consider the parallel in Romans 10:9-10.

    I don’t know if you’ve thought about these verses extensively. We love the gospel summary that the these verses present. But have you ever considered that if not interpreted carefully, these verses could be construed to teach salvation by works?

    That is by a spoken confession.

    Because what do these verses say? Romans 10:9-10.

    That if you confess with your mouth, Jesus says, “Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with a heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

    Now, did you catch that? Twice in those two verses, he says, “You have to speak with your mouth to be saved.” Whoa. Does that mean that if I cannot speak or if I don’t speak or if I won’t speak that I won’t actually be saved? If I don’t verbally confess faith in Jesus that I cannot be saved?

    And the answer is yes and no.

    No, you can be saved without literally moving your mouth. Because as we already saw from Ephesians 2, Galatians 2, you’re justified by faith, the change in heart toward yourself and towards Christ and not by works. That does not require the movement of your mouth.

    But on the other hand, yes, you will not be saved unless you confess even verbally your belief in Jesus. Because the faith that is not willing to confess is a false faith.

    “Yes, you will not be saved unless you confess, because faith that is not willing to confess is a false faith.”

    Do you see the distinction?

    Works like baptism, verbal confession or other obedience to God. They do not assist, they do not complete salvation by faith and some kind of faith plus works formula.

    Rather, such works function as proof, as evidence as to whether the saving faith is real in the first place.

    And this is why the Bible can even speak of in some places of believers being justified in the last day by works, by their works.

    It’s not actually that the believers are saved by their works, but the works, they prove the saving faith.

    And this is also why evangelists in the Bible could and sometimes did speak of baptism as bringing about salvation or forgiveness of sins. It’s not the ritual of baptism itself that does this. It’s the repentant heart which is experienced before baptism that is now clearly demonstrated in this new fundamental act of obedience.

    And isn’t this exactly what Peter says in 1 Peter 3:21?

    He says, “Baptism now saves you not in the mere removal of dirt by water, but by the appeal to God in a good con or for a good conscience through the resurrection of Christ.

    Baptism is just new saving faith put on display. Thus, the one being baptized and the ones witnessing the baptism, they become confident that the one being baptized is saved and forgiven by God.” They can’t be confident of that if they don’t see the person being baptized.

    Understanding John 3:5

    So this is the sense that we see in most of these verses when someone says you need to repent and be baptized. It’s kind of like repent and prove it. Repent and make it clear that you have repented by being baptized. It’s not the baptism itself that saves. It’s just it provides immediate evidence that your faith or your repentance is real. This explains most of the problem verses except maybe John 3:5. John 3:5 says that someone must be born again from water and the spirit to enter into God’s kingdom.

    Okay, what could that mean except that someone must be literally baptized in water to receive spiritual life?

    Well, actually, it could mean something else and it does. The problem with the interpretation that this is referring to baptism is that that just doesn’t fit in the original context.

    We’ve been through this if you remember when we preached through that section of John. Jesus in John 3, they’re speaking to Nicodemus and he’s stressing that one must be born from above, born again by God to enter God’s kingdom. And this is a real shocker to Nicodemus because to be born, to be conceived, to be begotten by God, is something that you cannot contribute to whatsoever. Just as you cannot contribute to your physical birth, so you cannot contribute to your spiritual birth. No work or ritual can get a person into God’s kingdom. No work or ritual can change a person’s heart or change his nature.

    So how could Jesus in the context be teaching that and then immediately contradict himself by saying, “Oh, by the way, there’s something that you have to do or else you’re not getting in. You got to be baptized.” Furthermore, Jesus does not say anything else about baptism or water in the rest of the section.

    “Just as you cannot contribute to your physical birth, so you cannot contribute to your spiritual birth.”

    Also, Christian baptism did not even exist at the time that Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus. Yet Jesus reproves Nicodemus for not already knowing what Jesus is talking about in John 3:10. That would be unfair if Jesus were talking about Christian baptism.

    But the truth is that Jesus is not speaking about baptism in John 3:5, but he’s just expanding the description of the totally of God work that is required for anybody to be saved. You not only need to be regenerated, you need new spiritual life, but you need to be cleansed. You need to be fundamentally cleansed by God and by his spirit to be saved. And this is not a weird pairing because we see the same pairing in other sections of the Bible. Significantly, Titus 3:5 also links these two concepts together. And you may remember this when we were going through John 3. Titus 3:5 Paul says, “He saved us not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to his mercy by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit.” So washing of regeneration and renewing.

    Two concepts that are important are the two concepts that we see in John 3:5 are also in Titus 3:5 linked together. And these are both built on a key prophecy from the Old Testament in Ezekiel 36.

    Ezekiel 36:24-27.

    We actually mentioned this verse last time in a in a different context, but this is a prophecy about the new covenant ministry which is going to be brought about by God and by God’s Messiah.

    God says by his prophet Ezekiel, “For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands, and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.

    Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put my spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statutes and you will be careful to observe my ordinances. So it’s the same thing that Jesus says in John 3:5. And this is why he reproves Nicodemus. Didn’t you see even from the Old Testament, what do we need? Not just a new heart, but we need cleansing. We need God to cleanse us. And both of these things will be accomplished in the new covenant by God’s spirit.

    So while John 3:5 is not talking about Christian baptism, Christian baptism symbolizes the spiritual reality that Jesus is talking about in John 3:5.

    Kind of kind of like the same thing in John 6 where people say, “Oh, John 6 is about the Lord’s table and transubstantiation.” No, Jesus is talking about the need for our believing in him and taking him in like spiritual food. But that is what the Lord’s table signifies. So we’re not talking about the literal realities in these passages, baptism or the Lord’s table, but we’re talking about the spiritual realities which these external rights that Jesus has commanded us to partake in signify.

    Additional Evidence Against Baptismal Regeneration

    Few other notable Bible details lead us away from the doctrine of baptismal regeneration. One is that the Apostle Paul went out of his way to downplay his ministry of baptism and to highlight the ministry of the gospel. This is an unthinkable move if salvation is somehow tied to or dependent on baptism. He says 1 Corinthians 1:14, “I thank God that I baptized none of you except Chrisus and gas.” What? 1 Corinthians 1:17, “For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.” Okay, that does not make sense if baptism is required for salvation. Also, certain notable people in the Bible verifiably receive full salvation in Jesus apart from or before baptism. Thief on the cross, Luke 23, and the Gentiles with Cornelius. We noted last time how they’re listening to the message about Jesus. As soon as Peter says, “Those who repent and believe in Jesus will be saved,” the spirit comes upon the Gentiles who are present. And what does Peter say afterwards? They’ve received the same salvation as we have. Let’s get these guys baptized.

    So, they had the spirit, they had salvation, but they didn’t have baptism yet. It’s because baptism is not required for salvation. It is a mark of testimony, obedient testimony after salvation.

    “They had the spirit, they had salvation, but they didn’t have baptism yet. Baptism is not required for salvation.”

    Now, it is worth noting that perhaps today we think of baptism as being completely unimportant and some people say, “Oh, I’ll get to that eventually or it doesn’t really matter if I get baptized.” No, it does matter. That is one of those fundamental marks of your salvation. It’s not something to be ignored or put off, but at the same time, it is not necessary for salvation.

    If you’re willing to be baptized after repenting and believing, but you somehow don’t get to it before God takes you home, you’re saved. But if you’re not willing, your faith is suspect.

    Why Did the Early Church Fathers Seem to Teach Otherwise?

    Okay. Number eight, related question. If baptism is not necessary for salvation, why did the early church fathers seem to teach otherwise?

    This is where the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church will often go to back up their positions on baptism. They’ll say, “We just teach what the fathers have always taught.” Now, the historical claims from churches like these, they are often shady. The Roman Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox Church, they will frequently rewrite, simplify, or reinterpret history to confirm what their church currently teaches. But when it comes to their claims about baptismal regeneration being what the early church believed and taught, generally that is sadly true.

    “The Roman Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox Church will frequently rewrite or reinterpret history to confirm what their church currently teaches.”

    Our earliest post-biblical Christian document that deals with baptism is the dedicay. I mentioned it’s like a candidate or it’s a handbook for baptismal candidates written around the late first century. It does not teach baptismal regeneration.

    But starting in second century, most Christian teachers, most of the church fathers, they affirm some sort of saving or cleansing effect, including the reception of the Holy Spirit in the right of baptism. And to support this, they usually cite John 3:5. You have to be born by water and the spirit.

    The Rise of Infant Baptism in History

    Weirdly, many teachers, many of these early church fathers, they also begin to affirm that baptism only saves and cleanses from sins up to the point of baptism itself. After that, well, they have to be taken care of by other means, which you might guess would lead to what practice among Christians?

    Well, maybe confession as another way of dealing with sin. But if baptism only deals with your sins up to a certain point, when’s the best time to get baptized?

    Right before you die. And that’s exactly what happens. People start delaying baptism till death, which is really the the origin of last rights as a sacrament. It’s just kind of like baptism before death. And it also leads to another unbiblical practice. If there is indeed a saving, forgiving effect in baptism, then what are concerned Christian parents are going to want for their children?

    To baptize them. And it’s in the second century that we begin to see infant baptism.

    “If there is a saving, forgiving effect in baptism, then concerned Christian parents will want it for their children — and infant baptism begins.”

    Now, while the church largely embraced this idea, some level of baptismal regeneration, it was a little bit slower to embrace infant baptism. Tertullian is one notable example. Living in the late second early third century. He argued against infant baptism. He said, “I know some people are wanting this, wanting to do this, but they need to believe first.

    They need to actually understand before they get baptized.” But infant baptism would also become the established practice of the church and it comes from this idea of baptismal regeneration. Okay, this being the case, does this mean that the early church quickly fell into a gospel of faith plus works for salvation?

    Well, no.

    Because in apparent theological inconsistency, the early church also affirmed salvation by faith alone apart from works. And this is a little different than the Roman Catholic Church or Eastern Orthodox Church today.

    They’ll say other weird things about not salvation by faith alone. But this is what the early church taught. Yeah, you need baptism to be saved, but you also don’t need any other work besides you don’t need anything besides faith to be saved. To give you one example, here’s Jerome. Jerome in the 4th century. Two quotes. This much you must know that baptism forgives past sins, but it does not safeguard future justice which is preserved by labor and industry and diligence and depends always and above all on the mercy of God. Oo, that does not sound good. That sounds like somebody saying you’re going to have to add or not only does baptism forgive you, but you’re going to have to add stuff afterwards to be saved. But then here’s Jerome in another place. You have received by faith alone the Holy Spirit who is not received except by the righteous. Abraham believed and it was credited to him as righteousness.

    Likewise also for you faith alone suffices as righteousness.

    Early church teachers also conceded that believers could be saved without baptism if they sought baptism but died before they could receive it. So was the right itself necessary or was it only to change heart towards God? Here’s a summary of the early church situation from Dr. Nathan Bznitz. Actually, did I?

    Yeah, here’s a summary from u Dr. Nathan Bnitz, professor at TMS about the understanding of baptism in the early church.

    The church fathers insisted on the need for water baptism because they linked the physical act with the number of vital with a number of vital spiritual realities including regeneration, the forgiveness of sins and the reception of the Holy Spirit based on their understanding of John 3:5. They regarded water baptism as necessary for salvation.

    At the same time, they also stated that believers were saved by faith alone and that the forgiveness of sins and reception of the Holy Spirit also came by faith alone. In part, this may be because they viewed baptism as the ceiling of faith. Thus, they viewed it as an extension of faith. It was considered a gift of God’s grace and not a self-righteous work. On the one hand, they recognized that it was possible in certain cases to be saved by faith alone without receiving water baptism. On the other hand, they seriously questioned the spiritual condition of anyone not willing to be baptized.

    So, it’s not quite as dire of a situation in the early church as we might suspect. It’s still not right.

    They still were in error. But it seems that generally the early church was holding to the true gospel even while this they had this inconsistency about baptismal regeneration.

    Scripture Over Tradition

    Now what about us? What stance should we take based on this fact of church history? Well, we ultimately stand with God breathed scriptures rather than imperfect church tradition. And this is what the Bible commands us to do.

    Church tradition can be informative and helpful, but it is never authoritative.

    “Church tradition can be informative and helpful, but it is never authoritative.”

    And the exaltation of tradition to the level of ultimate authority, it is the great error of the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches. Such not only leads to theological inconsistency, but also outright apostasy and really the condemnation of Jesus that he gave to the Pharisees in Matthew 15. Matthew 15:7-9.

    You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you, this people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. But in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.

    We might also ask, how could the early church get it so wrong so quickly?

    Didn’t have to wait till the early church period. Just look at the New Testament. You’ve got heresies. You’ve got serious problems in the church before the apostles even left. So why should we be too surprised if there were some big errors even after the apostles soon after the apostles were gone. Thank the Lord that they weren’t bigger than they were and he has been faithful to preserve his gospel throughout the generations.

    All right, last question.

    What Is the Argument for Infant Baptism?

    What is the argument for infant baptism?

    We talked about historically infant baptism appears to have emerged from baptismal regeneration and concerned parents be being wanting to do something for their kids. But today the practice of infant baptism has three fundamental supports and they are the prestige of the reformed tradition that is reformed theology that which emerged from the reformers and is held closely by Presbyterians and and a few others today. The connection between circumcision and baptism and the household baptisms in the book of acts. Briefly try and treat each one of these issues. First, the prestige of the reformed tradition.

    As belief in the saving nature of baptism spread in the early church, so did the practice of infant baptism. By the end of the medieval period, infant baptism was firmly established as the standard practice in Christianity. The reformers in the 1500s, people like Calvin, Luther, Zwingley, they recaptured salvation by faith alone, but they largely retained infant baptism.

    All three of those men were practitioners of infant baptism. Now, the reformers were right on so many other issues, and they contributed to a robust theological system that ties all parts of scripture and Christian doctrine together. So, could they really be wrong on baptism? Could the reformers be right on so many other issues, but not this one? Shouldn’t we trust them if we are grateful for many of their other pieces of theological heritage today?

    But the response that we must give there is similar to what we said to the last question. While we do respect the reformers and many in reformed congregations today like Presbyterians and while we are grateful for the reformation and the theological contributions of those men in the past, we do not consider any tradition even the reformed tradition to be authoritative but must subject all theological traditions to examination by the scriptures.

    “We do not consider any tradition, even the reformed tradition, to be authoritative but must subject all traditions to examination by the Scriptures.”

    Besides, infant baptism is not the only theological tradition that has been handed down to the church. We had believers onlyly baptism in the early church before infant baptism spread. And also the anabaptists were a group that emerged in the reformation period who practiced believers baptism. Now there’s a whole bunch of flavors of Anabaptists.

    Some of them were quite radical but some of them were right on and they got persecuted even by the reformers for holding to believers baptism.

    The Circumcision-Baptism Connection

    What is the reason that the reformers were fundamentally wrong on infant baptism? Largely it has to do with an improperly inferred connection between circumcision and baptism.

    An argument from many reformed including the first reformers like Zwingley and Calvin is that circumcision was a physical sign of inclusion in the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants and in the blessing of those covenants.

    This circumcision was also administered to children who could not and did not yet believe. But blessing on them would only be brought about when they did believe eventually.

    The reformed would say Jesus new covenant and the new covenant sign works the same way. As the new covenant fulfills and supersedes the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants of the past, so does the new symbol of inclusion. Not circumcision but baptism. Just as circumcision was administered to children, so baptism also al also ought to be administered to the children of believers. And just as circumcision did not prove to bring God’s blessing to anyone except those who later were circumcised in heart, so baptism does not provide testimony of salvation or salvation blessing except for those who later come to faith. So you might say, why do it at all? Why not just wait until the children come to faith? Well, both circumcision and baptism mark out the children of God’s covenant people in those children’s obligations to receive and benefit from the different offered covenants. So by being brought in to the covenant community by this right, you recognize your obligation to believe and to obey and you in a kind of like fringe sense, you’re already experiencing some measure of that blessing of the covenant just by being part of the community. And there is at least one verse that seems to imply a connection between circumcision and baptism and that’s Colossians 2 11-12 which says and in him you are also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ.

    “The reason the reformers were fundamentally wrong on infant baptism has to do with an improperly inferred connection between circumcision and baptism.”

    Verse 12, having been buried with him in baptism in which you were also raised up with him through faith in the working of God who raised him from the dead.

    Response to the Circumcision Argument

    I know I’m kind of moving fast because I’m running out of time, but in Colossians 2:11, he talks about circumcision. In Colossians 2:12, he talks about baptism. And he says, “You’re you’re in Christ. You have the reality here. There’s apparently a link between circumcision and baptism.” But in response to this argument, we have to say that this connection is not justified between circumcision and baptism. This strict connection. There is some parallelism to be sure, but circumcision and baptism are not parallel in some important and obvious ways. For one, circumcision was only for males. Baptism is for male and females.

    Number two, circumcision was a sign of a covenant for a singular ethnic people, the descendants of Abraham or the people of Israel. Baptism is a sign of covenant for a new people group of every ethnicity.

    And most importantly, circumcision is commanded to be administered regardless of someone’s spiritual state. Whereas baptism is commanded to be administered, as we’ve seen, only to believers. That’s a pretty fundamental difference. So if they’re not parallel in these three important obvious ways, why do we assume that they ought to be parallel in every way and that they should both be given to children?

    “Circumcision is administered regardless of spiritual state, whereas baptism is commanded only for believers — a fundamental difference.”

    Also, the connection, the parallel in Colossians 2:1-12 is only apparent and not real because in context, Paul is defending the sufficiency and supremacy of Christ against those who are alleging that some sort of addition is needed to complete a Christian’s salvation such as something like circumcision. But Paul’s argument is look, you have the circumcision that’s made without hands and you were baptized into Christ. So actually he’s not saying anything about literal circumcision or literal baptism.

    He’s asserting that they have something superior to either one of those things by belief in Christ. Colossians 2:10 and you have been made complete and he is the head of overall rule and authority.

    So this is not really saying anything about a necessary connection between a covenant sign between circumcision and baptism.

    Really the circumcision baptism connection is as a necessary support for infant baptism.

    It’s an inference from a theological system rather than from the teaching of scripture.

    “The circumcision-baptism connection is an inference from a theological system rather than from the teaching of Scripture.”

    The Household Baptisms in Acts

    Finally, there’s the Bible’s baptisms of whole households.

    I’m going to have to move more summary fashion here. There are a few passages in the book of Acts that describe the baptism of apparently a whole household.

    Acts 16 16:15 the household of Lydia and Acts 16:33 the Philippian jailer’s household pabatist those who hold to infant baptism they make two assumptions in interpreting passages like these that the baptized households must have included children and that these children must have been incapable of saving faith yet they were baptized along believing adults. The necessary conclusion is that we have a pattern of infant baptism demonstrated in the book of acts.

    The response to this is these assumptions about children in these household passages are unjustified. The texts do not say whether there are children in these households. And if there are children, they don’t say what the cha what the ages are or whether these children are capable of saving faith. Should note that in that culture and context, a household did not only refer to blood family members, but also to usually adult slaves and dependent servants who lived in the house. So the Bible could be speaking of these other household members when it refers to those who were baptized. And even if these households did include extremely young children incapable of faith, it does not follow that these children were necessarily baptized because just as today we might say, “Oh, salvation came to this family or and maybe you’re testifying about your own family. We came to know Christ at a particular time.” Not necessarily saying that even your babies and toddlers came to know Christ at that time. You’re just talking about your family generally with the obvious exception of those who cannot practice faith. In the same way it may be the Bible speaks of households that included children but who were not meant to be reported as saved and baptized in the family’s general description. But we can note that when the Bible does give more information about a saved household, it usually emphasizes that the whole household believed and that’s why they were baptized. Don’t have time now, but if you look at what the Bible says about the conversion of Cornelius and those with him, it says he feared God with his whole household and he gathered his relatives and friends when Peter came by and when they heard the message, they believed and then they were all baptized.

    “The household passages in Acts actually support believers baptism rather than infant baptism.”

    So the whole household, his relatives and friends, they were baptized because they believed. Or Acts 16:31-34 the passage about the Philippian jailer it says in verse 31 believe in the Lord Jesus Christ or believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved you and your household verse 32 immediately he was baptized he and his whole household and then verse 34 he rejoiced greatly having believed in God with his whole household so we get further description there that household they believed and that’s why they were baptized In Acts 18:8, it mentions Christmas household, he believed in the Lord with all his household.

    Conclusion

    And though it doesn’t say specifically he was baptized, later in the verse, it says many of the Corinthians when they heard and were believing were being baptized. So it is possible for a whole household to believe or at least those who are capable of belief. And so those are the ones that the Bible implies were baptized. The household passages in the book of Acts, they actually support believers baptism rather than infant baptism. So in conclusion, though we respect and tolerate our true brethren who hold to infant baptism, this is not a biblically supported doctrine and it only sends a confusing message to children and to the church regarding salvation.

    “Though we respect our true brethren who hold to infant baptism, this is not a biblically supported doctrine.”

    Okay, I’ve gone over time just a tiny bit. I know that was fast. If you want to talk with me afterwards to clarify anything or to ask further questions, I’m definitely open for that or you can send an email. But that is it for this week. Next week we move on to our next topic which will be church government and church discipline. Often controversial, sometimes confusing. So I think that will be a valuable examination.

    But let me close in a word of prayer.

    Thank you God for your Bible’s clear teaching.

    Lord, we thank you that salvation is indeed by no work, not even by baptism.

    Yet, God, we are so glad to testify of the work that you have wholly done on your own without our contribution in something like the symbol of baptism.

    You’re the one who caused us to die with Christ, to be buried with Christ, and to rise with Christ. And you’re the one who caused us to be joined to Christ and his people.

    Lord, we are glad to give that testimony. And so we do thank you for the symbol of baptism. Lord, please bless the rest of the service today.

    Those who are here in person and those who can only attend online in Jesus name.

  • Believer’s Baptism by Immersion, Overview

    Believer’s Baptism by Immersion, Overview

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    Summary

    Baptism is a beautiful ordinance given by Christ, and we are called to understand and practice it faithfully. This lesson examines what the Bible teaches about believers’ baptism by immersion — what it is, who should administer it, who should receive it, how it should be done, and what it signifies. The Scriptures consistently show that baptism follows a profession of faith, is performed by immersion in water, and serves as a rich, multi-faceted testimony of spiritual realities accomplished by Christ.

    Key Lessons:

    1. Baptism is not a means of saving grace but an obedient testimony of a believer’s faith in and union with Christ, symbolized by immersion in and rising from water.
    2. The New Testament pattern is unmistakable: belief in Christ always precedes baptism, making the concept of an unbaptized Christian foreign to Scripture.
    3. The mode of baptism — immersion — is not a matter of indifference but is essential to preserving the rich symbolism of death, burial, and resurrection with Christ.
    4. Baptism carries seven interconnected testimonies: repentance and faith, union with Christ, union with the triune God, cleansing from sin, escape from divine judgment, new overcoming spiritual life, and inclusion in Christ’s church.

    Application: We are called to take baptism seriously as a matter of obedience — both the act of baptizing and being baptized. Those who have believed but not been baptized should pursue it. Those who have been baptized should live consistently with its testimony by walking in holiness and committed church membership.

    Discussion Questions:

    1. How does understanding baptism as a testimony of union with Christ deepen your appreciation of what happened at your own baptism?
    2. Why is the mode of baptism (immersion vs. sprinkling/pouring) important for preserving the meaning of the ordinance?
    3. How should the connection between baptism and church membership shape the way we think about our commitment to a local body of believers?

    Scripture Focus: Acts 2:38-41 (baptism after repentance and faith, inclusion in the church), Romans 6:3-5 (spiritual baptism into Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection), Matthew 28:18-20 (the Great Commission commanding baptism of disciples), 1 Peter 3:18-22 (baptism as a testimony of deliverance from judgment), 1 Corinthians 12:13 (baptism into one body).

    Outline

    Introduction

    Our year-long series, or at least the ministry year-long series on defending doctrinal distinctives. If you remember, this course is part theology, part apologetics, in which the elders of Calvary systematically tackle the most controversial yet crucial doctrines that we teach at this church.

    Now, we’re resuming where we left off at the end of 2025 with a slight schedule adjustment. I told you that we have periodic Q&A elder Q&As throughout this course, but we had to push that back a little bit because of the snow day that we had at the end of December. We’re going to do the next module which I’m teaching and then one more after that, and about midway through the course we’ll have our first Q&A session.

    I think that is going to be at the beginning of February. If you still have some questions that haven’t quite been answered or maybe come to your mind as you think about some of the topics we’ve already covered, let the elders know so that we can consider it and perhaps answer it in the upcoming Q&A.

    But today, we are talking about the topic of baptism. This is a subject of immense confusion and controversy in the Christian church. This is one of the reasons why we have a baptism class or a pre-membership class because inevitably when people come to our church, not all of them but many don’t quite understand baptism, their need for it, what it’s all about, what does it signify.

    There are divisions within Christianity, some pretty stark divisions within what’s called Christianity today over baptism. Is baptism necessary for salvation? How should baptism be done? To whom should baptism be administered?

    This is not a new problem. This is not a modern issue. It is one that has pervaded the church throughout its history. In the reformation period, there’s confusion about baptism. In the medieval period and even in the early church, there is confusion about baptism.

    So, it is important that we come to this topic. What’s interesting is that though there’s a lot of confusion and controversy about baptism, the Bible is clear. The Bible is clear when it comes to baptism, and that’s why the elders have taken a stance on it here at this church.

    We hold to what you see in the Sunday school lesson title: believers baptism by immersion. Believers baptism—the theological term for that is credo baptism—it is to be administered to believers only. Paedobaptism is the idea that it can be administered to children.

    We don’t hold to that. And we do hold to by immersion, not sprinkling or pouring. Actually being immersed or dipped in water is the proper mode of baptism.

    Now today I want to overview from the scriptures why we take this stance. Next week I’ll deal with some of the common questions and objections to our stance on baptism.

    Here’s our agenda. We’re going to answer five questions in today’s class, Lord willing. What is baptism? Who should baptize? Who should be baptized? How should a person be baptized? And then what does baptism mean? Let’s ask for the Lord’s help and blessing as we explore this topic.

    Lord God, baptism is a beautiful ordinance that you’ve given to us. It is a beautiful opportunity for testimony, a beautiful picture of the gospel. But help us to appreciate that. Help me to be able to explain it and help us to understand. Help us, Lord, in our own experience of baptism or when we see others being baptized, be reminded afresh of just how beautiful your salvation is. In Jesus’ name, amen.

    What Is Baptism?

    Okay, let’s start going through these questions. What is baptism?

    Baptism was historically preceded by certain types of baptism. Christian baptism was historically preceded by Jewish proselyte baptism, kind of going into the intertestamental period where Gentiles who wanted to no longer remain at a distance from worshiping God could become Jews.

    There’s a certain process of doing that. Part of that process involved being symbolically washed, symbolically cleansed of their sin and uncleanness to be an acceptable worshiper of God. And like I said, part of the process, part of the ritual was an immersion or a washing into water, a ritual bath.

    John the Baptist also famously—you could see from his name—had a baptism that was similar to Christian baptism, a baptism of immersion but specifically called a baptism of repentance. Building on that idea of Jewish proselyte baptism, he’s saying you Jews need to be clean too. Don’t think, “Oh, only the Gentiles need to be washed from their uncleanness.”

    No, you do too. You also are at odds with your God. You also are unclean, and unless God makes you clean, you cannot enter into his kingdom. So repent from the heart and testify of that by going through this ritual bath, this ritual immersion, and saying, “I am unclean spiritually, but God can make me clean.”

    Now, Christian baptism is similar to these, but not exactly the same. And I’ll explain more throughout this lesson. Here’s our statement of faith when it comes to our stance on baptism: Christian baptism by immersion is the solemn and beautiful testimony of a believer showing forth his faith in the crucified, buried and risen Savior and his union with him in death to sin and resurrection to a new life. It is also a picture of fellowship and identification with the visible body of Christ.

    So you see a little bit there of what baptism is in terms of its literal enactment but also what it means. I have a slightly shorter definition which I’ll build on a little bit later in the class: Christian baptism is the obedient testimony of a new believer’s faith in and saving union with Christ. Notice the idea of union. That’s going to be really important, as symbolized by the believers being immersed in and raised up out of water.

    “Christian baptism is the obedient testimony of a new believer’s faith in and saving union with Christ.”

    Who Should Baptize?

    Now, how many people are needed for baptism?

    At least two. Yes. You cannot baptize yourself according to the scripture. But who should baptize?

    Well, what does the Bible say?

    Interesting that you say that elders, pastors. Does the Bible say that specifically?

    Actually, the Bible just says believers.

    “Actually, the Bible just says believers.”

    The main place where we get instruction for this is actually the great commission. Matthew 28:18-20. These verses. And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son, the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I command you. And lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

    Now this meeting with Jesus on a mountain in Galilee, it is a word spoken primarily to his apostles. But they would only be leaders in what Jesus is calling all Christians to do. Leaders in the efforts of what all Christians do in the whole great commission. And notice it’s not just a one-part commission, but three-fold. They are to make disciples. They are to baptize. And they are to teach everything that Jesus commanded. So if Christians are called to do one part, it makes sense that they’re actually called to do all three parts.

    Significantly, there is one instance in the Bible of someone being baptized, one verifiable instance in the Bible, someone being baptized by a non-pastor and non-apostle. Does anybody know where that is?

    Right? So Glenda has it that Philip, who is he, has a certain role, a certain special role. He’s appointed as one of the seven to take care of some of their practical needs of serving widows in the Jerusalem church, but otherwise he doesn’t have an official position yet. He is led by the spirit to evangelize an Ethiopian eunuch and then baptize him.

    Believers Can Baptize, But Best Practice Is Church Leaders

    That is significant. It shows that baptism doesn’t always need to be by a pastor and doesn’t always need to be in a church context.

    However, almost all other instances of baptism in the Bible are by church leaders and they are before other believers, which makes sense, and we’ll see this more at the end of the lesson. The testimony of baptism fits best in the context of the church, in the context of a church gathering. The baptizer really should be someone who can represent a local congregation’s affirming a new believer’s salvation testimony and inclusion into the church.

    “The testimony of baptism fits best in the context of the church, in the context of a church gathering.”

    And who functions best as this kind of representative? Like what you said at the beginning, Glenda? An elder. A pastor elder of the church saying, “We believe that this person is truly saved and we welcome him into the number of the redeemed.” The bottom line here is that individual Christians can baptize anywhere, but the best practice is baptism in a church assembly. Not necessarily a church building, but a church gathering by church leaders, and that’s why we do it that way here. Now a related question: what if there later turns out to be a problem with the baptizer?

    What If the Baptizer Later Falls Away?

    What if that person later—it’s not known at the time the baptism takes place, but what if that baptizer later is found to be in sin or found to turn to heresy or found to apostasize from the faith? Does that make whatever baptisms he performed invalid?

    No. Why? Because the baptizer is merely a chief witness and facilitator. He does not specially impart some kind of divine power, some divine grace, some divine approval. God is the one who ultimately does that.

    “The baptizer is merely a chief witness and facilitator. God is the one who ultimately does that.”

    The baptizer is just a facilitator towards that end. So even if a baptizer turns away from the faith, that baptism is still valid because it is performed in obedience before God. And do note that baptizing is a matter of obedience.

    Baptizing Is Also a Matter of Obedience

    We sometimes think being baptized is a matter of obedience. And that’s true.

    We’ll say that in just a second. But also, baptizing is a matter of obedience. If we as a church are to say, “Oh Jesus has a thing called baptism in the Bible, but it’s not that important. You don’t really have to be baptized. You just got to believe,” no. The scriptures say that we’re called as a church and certainly as the elders of the church to baptize as well as teach everything that the Lord commanded. Now, I’ve already alluded to the answer to the next question. We talked about what is baptism, who should baptize, but who should be baptized?

    “Baptizing is a matter of obedience, not just being baptized.”

    Who Should Be Baptized?

    This is where a lot of the controversy is. But the biblical answer should be obvious. Who should be baptized?

    Only believers.

    Only those who are able to testify genuinely of the spiritual realities that baptism signifies.

    “Only those who can testify genuinely of the spiritual realities that baptism signifies.”

    Because baptism is fundamentally a testimony. If you can’t testify genuinely, then you can’t be baptized or you shouldn’t be baptized. As I alluded to before, this is a matter of obedience also, but this time for a new believer. A new believer should seek to and as God provides, actually be baptized. And we can see this in at least one passage: Acts 2:38.

    This is at the end of the sermon given by Peter on the day of Pentecost. Peter said to those who were cut to the quick and asking what must we do? What must we do to be saved? Peter said to them, repent and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. I’ll say a lot more about this verse throughout today’s class, but notice the beginning part of it. How should someone respond to the gospel according to Peter?

    Before you get baptized, repent, which is just another way of talking about repent and believe. They’re just two sides of the same coin. Repent of your sin, believe in the gospel, and then be baptized. That’s what Peter says: repent each of you and be baptized.

    So that order is significant. You don’t repent in baptism. You repent after baptism. You repent and then you’re baptized. You believe and then you’re baptized. And that’s the same order that we saw in the Matthew 28 great commission, right? Make disciples and baptize them. They must be made disciples first.

    “You believe and then you’re baptized. They must be made disciples first.”

    The Biblical Pattern: Belief Then Baptism

    And not only is this the instruction that Peter gives and Jesus gives in Matthew 28, this is the overwhelming pattern of people converted to Christ in the scriptures, especially in the book of Acts. It’s almost like someone wanted to make this really obvious for us. And I’m going to go through these texts with you so you can hear it. It’s like an incessant drum beat.

    Acts 2:41, this is right after the passage I previously read. “So then those who had received his word, that is believed the gospel, were baptized, and that day they were added about 3,000 souls.”

    Acts 8:12. “But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God in the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike.”

    Acts 8:13. “Even Simon himself believed, and after being baptized, he continued on with Philip.”

    Acts 10:47-48. The context here is Peter has gone to visit the house of Cornelius and some Gentiles who are there with him, gentile god-fearers. He declares the gospel of Jesus Christ. They believe and the Holy Spirit comes upon the Gentile believers in a visible way. And this is what Peter says in response.

    “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he? And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. They then asked him to stay on for a few days.”

    Now, let me just emphasize again about that verse. Did the Gentiles receive the Holy Spirit before or after water baptism? Before. And what caused them to receive the Holy Spirit? Faith in Christ. Faith in Christ. Received the Holy Spirit and then they were baptized.

    Acts 16:14-15. “A woman named Lydia from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabrics, a worshipper of God, was listening to the preaching of Paul. And the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul.” In other words, she believed. “And when she and her household had been baptized, she urged us, saying, ‘If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house and stay.’ And she prevailed upon us.” Again, you see it: “Open a heart to the word.” Baptized.

    Acts 16:31-33. “They said, this is Paul and I think Silas in the Philippian jail speaking to the jailer, ‘Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household.’ And they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who are in his house. And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds. And immediately he was baptized, he and all his household.”

    Acts 18:8. “Crispus the leader of the synagogue believed in the Lord with all his household and many of the Corinthians when they heard were believing and being baptized.”

    Acts 18:8: “Many of the Corinthians when they heard were believing and being baptized.”

    Now you keep hearing references to household in those passages that comes up in controversy too. We’ll talk about that eventually. And then one more passage to put before you as an example. Acts 19:4-5. Paul said, now he’s speaking to those adherents of John the Baptist message in Ephesus, and they had never heard the gospel of Jesus. So Paul says to them, “John baptized with a baptism of repentance telling the people to believe in him who was coming after him, that is in Jesus. When they heard this they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”

    So what was it? Belief in Jesus Christ and then baptism.

    The Immediacy of Baptism After Faith

    Now notice from these verses, how long after a profession of faith until baptism?

    It’s very quick. It’s almost immediate.

    That’s what the text would seem to suggest, which helps us appreciate a certain idea well said by one commentator.

    The idea of an unbaptized Christian is simply not entertained in the New Testament.

    “The idea of an unbaptized Christian is simply not entertained in the New Testament.”

    You believe, you get baptized. But it is something that always comes after belief.

    How Should a Person Be Baptized?

    Okay. Go on to our fourth question. How should a person be baptized?

    Controversy here. But again, the answer should be obvious from the Bible. How should a person be baptized? By what baptism actually means: by being immersed in water and then drawn up again by another believer.

    The Meaning of the Word ‘Baptize’

    I say, what’s baptism? Actually, what does baptism actually mean? You say, “What do you mean by that?” Just etymologically, just in paying attention to language, baptism means immersion. The Greek word that is translated “baptizes” is “baptizo,” so it’s just transliterated into English. It means to immerse, to plunge, to wash, or to dip. It’s related to another Greek verb, “bapt,” which means to dip or to dye. To dye, not actually suffer death. And you don’t dye something by merely pouring on it or sprinkling on it. You’re talking about a thorough soak. It gets immersed.

    “Baptism means immersion. The Greek word baptizo means to immerse, to plunge, to wash, or to dip.”

    And “baptized,” the related word, is the same way. Now granted, there are two times in the New Testament in which “baptizo” is used in the more general sense of “wash.” Mark 7:4 and Luke 11:38, “baptized” is used to refer to the Jewish ritual of purification of hands before eating a meal.

    But the other 70 plus times the word is used in the New Testament, it is speaking of a literal or figurative immersion.

    And that’s just on the language level.

    Biblical Descriptions Confirm Immersion

    But this sense is also implied by the context of the word usage in several places in the New Testament. Three in particular: Matthew 3:15-16.

    This is Jesus’s baptism. It says, “But Jesus answering said to him, John the Baptist, permit it at this time, for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” And he permitted him. After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water.

    And behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on him. Now, that description—he came up from the water—does not make sense unless he was immersed in water.

    “He came up from the water — that does not make sense unless he was immersed in water.”

    We see similar language used in Acts 8:38-39.

    And he ordered the chariot to stop and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. When they came up out of the water, the spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away, and the eunuch no longer saw him, but went on his way rejoicing. Again, how do you make sense of that passage unless it’s baptism by immersion into the water and out of the water? In fact, the eunuch said, “Look, water. What prevents me from being baptized?” They saw a generous amount of water there, and it was enough for baptism.

    One more reference here: John 3:23.

    John also was baptizing in Aenon near Salem because there was much water there and people were coming and were being baptized. Now again, why would you need much water unless it’s baptism by immersion?

    Evidence from the Septuagint

    Also telling is usage in the Septuagint.

    The Septuagint is a Greek translation of the Old Testament that was created in the intertestamental period, around the 200s-300s BC. It contained the Apocrypha. In the Septuagint, the Apocrypha was not recognized as scripture, but as helpful and interesting documents.

    Why did I mention that to you? Because baptizo is used in both the Greek translation of the Old Testament and in the translation of the Apocrypha into Greek. Four times we see baptizo used in the Greek Septuagint. It’s once used as a metaphor for overwhelming terror in Isaiah 21:4, which fits with the idea of immersion.

    Twice it refers to taking a ritual bath for cleansing in Judith 12:7 and Sirach 34:25. That’s part of the Apocrypha.

    But most significantly, baptized is used once to translate the Hebrew word in 2 Kings 5:14 for the Syrian leper Naaman submerging himself seven times in the Jordan. The English text of the Hebrew that we have in our Bible, 2 Kings 5:14 says, “So he went down and dipped himself.” The Greek translation of the Old Testament says, “He baptized himself seven times in the Jordan according to the word of the man of God, and his flesh was restored like the flesh of a little child, and he was clean.”

    So hopefully you’re getting a pretty unified impression from both the scriptures and in documents related to the scriptures that baptize means immersion.

    “The Greek translation says ‘he baptized himself seven times in the Jordan’ — baptize means submerging.”

    It means dipping. It means submerging.

    If you start with just that, if you keep with what the Bible says, there’s no controversy here. Baptism equals immersion in water. Now, yes, Ezekiel 36:25 does prophesy, and this is God speaking: “Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.” But this is a reference to Old Testament purification rituals, not a foreshadowing of Christian baptism.

    There’s actually a lot of language of water cleansing throughout the Bible. You can’t just say, “Oh, look, here’s water. This must be baptism.” You need to be a little bit more careful than that.

    Where Did Sprinkling and Pouring Come From?

    Now, you might ask, if not from the Bible, where did the practices of sprinkling and pouring for baptism come from?

    Does anyone know the answer?

    Dwayne, that’s not a bad thought. Dwayne mentioned when infant baptism emerges, baptizing babies, maybe sprinkling became the preferred mode there. I’ll say more about that in just a second, but any other ideas as to where sprinkling and pouring came from?

    Does it come from Catholic teaching? In a way, yes, but maybe not the way you think of it.

    Actually, sprinkling and pouring was an accommodation for extreme circumstances that is mentioned in the second and third centuries. The Didache, kind of like a handbook for those about to be baptized, goes over Christian doctrine and was produced in the second century. It mentions that if there’s not enough water around to do baptism by immersion, then pouring is okay.

    It doesn’t say that. What I want to say is it’s clear that immersion is the way that you should do it, but it says if it’s impossible to immerse, then I suppose you can pour.

    Now, that’s not scripture. That was just what a Christian handbook said in the second century. In the third century, we have a couple of different Christian leaders who were sick and old. And so in those extreme circumstances, they were granted to be poured over rather than immersed.

    I think it was Cyprian or one guy in the third century who’s extremely sick and he’s like, “I really can’t do it.” And they’re like, “Okay, we’re just going to put water all over you rather than immerse you in water.” Now, this was highly exceptional and it was frowned upon by most Christians at that time.

    They’re like, “That’s not real baptism.” But some people did allow for it in highly exceptional circumstances.

    But the problem is if you allow for one exception, then that encourages allowing for other exceptions. And that’s exactly what happened. More and more over time, more and more people were granted exceptions for baptism.

    And if you think about it, if it’s valid in one instance, why shouldn’t it be valid in others? And it’s not like baptism by immersion is extremely convenient, right? Today, it’s not so bad because we have modern plumbing and we have baptismals and things like that.

    But if you’re not in a place that has baths ready to go, or if you’re in a cold climate like northern Germany, Scandinavia, the British Isles, Russia, suddenly sprinkling and pouring sounds like a much more attractive option.

    “If you allow for one exception, that encourages allowing for other exceptions. And that’s exactly what happened.”

    Mediterranean climate, okay, maybe not so bad. But when you get into those colder climates, do we really have to do immersion?

    That being said, immersion was the dominant mode of baptism for most of the Middle Ages, even of children. Yes, even infants were being immersed.

    In 1311, the Roman Catholic Church officially made the mode of baptism a matter of indifference. So it doesn’t matter whether you’re sprinkled, poured, or immersed. Any of those are valid before God.

    Nevertheless, immersion never left the Eastern Orthodox Church, who today still practice triple immersion even for infants. They dip three times except for special health situations.

    What Does Baptism Mean?

    That’s where apparently, from what we can understand historically, sprinkling and pouring came from. Yet mode is not really a matter of indifference. Rather, the mode of baptism is a crucial part of clarifying the truths that the symbol of baptism represents.

    So now we come to our final question here. What does baptism mean? What is the significance of baptism? What’s actually happening? What does it mean?

    Baptism is not in itself a means of spiritual cleansing or of saving grace. Being baptized does not save you. It does not contribute to your salvation. Hopefully that should be clearer after the last two lessons we had in this course where Mark was leading us on what is the gospel, what is required for salvation: repentance and faith, not baptism. No work is necessary for salvation or gives saving grace.

    Rather, baptism is, as I said at the beginning, an obedient testimony of faith in and union with Christ.

    “Baptism is an obedient testimony of faith in and union with Christ.”

    It’s a symbol. It’s a memorial. It’s a testimony of faith in and union with Christ. In a way, it’s very similar to the Lord’s table. The Lord’s table does not give you saving grace. It doesn’t keep you saved, but it is a symbol. It is a memorial of salvation and of your participation in it.

    Now, the Bible expounds on the implications of the testimony of baptism in several places and it shows us the different facets of the testimony that baptism represents. I’m going to give these to you. I’ve categorized these into seven different testimonies that are communicated in baptism. They overlap a little bit. Not everybody groups it into these categories, but I think this is helpful.

    I put it into seven. These are just implications of that statement that I put there on the slide: a testimony of faith in Christ and union with Christ.

    Testimony 1: Repentance and Faith in Christ

    Okay. What does that mean and how did the scriptures explain it? Number one, baptism is a testimony of repentance and faith in Christ. I’m going to refer to certain key texts and I’m going to be highlighting certain parts of those texts for you and explaining these different testimonies.

    So baptism is first of all a testimony of repentance and faith in Christ. Going back to Acts 2:38, Peter said to them, “Repent and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” As we already noted, baptism comes after a profession of faith in Christ. That is repenting and believing in Christ. Thus, baptism is itself a sign of that. If you see somebody baptized, you automatically know, “Oh, he must have repented and believed because that’s what it’s a sign of. That’s what happens right afterwards.”

    Baptism comes or is supposed to come immediately after repentance and faith.

    “Baptism comes after a profession of faith in Christ — it is itself a sign of that.”

    So baptism is a sign of that. And again, Matthew 28:19 has that connection too. “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them.” Okay? Hey, if he’s baptized, that’s a sign he’s a disciple of Jesus, which means he repented and believed. So testimony of repentance and faith in Christ, baptism is a sign of this conversion. But number two, baptism is also a testimony of union with Christ.

    Testimony 2: Union with Christ

    Going back to Acts 2:38, Peter said to them, “Repent and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Have you ever thought about that phrase, baptize in the name of Jesus Christ?

    What does that mean?

    We might think that’s just about authority, right? We have phrases like “stop in the name of the law,” which means I’m telling you to stop on the authority of or with the authority of the law behind me. And so we might think that’s what Peter’s talking about here. I’m telling you to be baptized or I’m going to perform baptism on you with the authority of Jesus. I have the authority of Jesus behind me. Or we might even say that in being baptized, you’re placing yourself under the authority of Jesus. It’s in his name. It’s under his approval and authority.

    And those are true conceptually, but it’s more than that. Baptizing in the name of Jesus is tantamount to being baptized into Jesus. Baptism represents spiritual immersion into Jesus. That is union with him.

    “Baptism represents spiritual immersion into Jesus — that is union with him.”

    Baptism does not bring about this union, but it testifies of this union already having taken place by faith. You say, “I think you’re stretching that phrase too much, Pastor Dave.” Well, let’s look at another passage.

    Romans 6:3-5. Paul says, “Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into his death? Therefore, we have been buried with him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.

    For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of his resurrection.”

    Spiritual Baptism into Christ’s Death, Burial, and Resurrection

    Now, this is a key text for understanding the significance and the testimony of baptism. But something important to realize here is that Paul is speaking about spiritual baptism and not physical baptism in this passage.

    He’s talking about spiritual baptism into Christ. Notice well, maybe you don’t have the text in front of you, but if you think about my reading of it in Romans 6:3-5, Paul says that we are baptized into Christ Jesus. That is spiritual union with Jesus. You are made one with him, you are attached to him, and he to you. And Paul further explains that this means that you are baptized spiritually into every part of Jesus’ salvation work. You are baptized into his death and his burial and his resurrection.

    What does that mean? Well, that means that Jesus suffered your death, the death that you deserved for your sin. So you don’t have to. You died it through him.

    But it also means that you have spiritual and eternal life that you didn’t have before because you also rose through him.

    Union with Christ. Baptism into Christ is how all the work of Jesus’ salvation is applied to you.

    “Union with Christ is how all the work of Jesus’ salvation is applied to you.”

    Water Baptism as Symbol of Spiritual Baptism

    And water baptism is just symbolic of this reality.

    Water baptism is a symbol of the spiritual baptism that has been accomplished for you in Christ.

    That’s why that’s the significance. One other verse that says the same thing: Colossians 2:12.

    Colossians 2:12 is kind of in the middle of a statement, but it’s Paul writing, “Having been buried with him in baptism, in which you also were raised up with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.” Here again is another text that’s talking about spiritual baptism rather than literal water baptism. But notice, thinking back to what I just read, what is it that joins us to Jesus?

    According to Colossians 2:12, what joins us to Jesus and thus to his death, burial, and resurrection? I’ll read that statement to you again: “Having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with him through faith in the working of God who raised him from the dead.”

    So what is it that joins us to Jesus and to his death, burial, and resurrection? It’s faith. That’s what he said: raised up with him through faith in the working of God.

    So faith is what joins us to Jesus. And being joined to Jesus means we’re joined into every aspect of salvation work.

    And again, water baptism is a fitting picture of this being immersed into and made one with Christ. And not just immersion in general, but all the parts of immersion more specifically. You are united to Jesus’ death and symbolically you go down into the water. You’re united to Jesus’ burial. You go and stay under the water. And then you’re united to Jesus’ resurrection. You come up out of the water.

    “You are united to Jesus’ death — you go down. His burial — you stay under. His resurrection — you come up.”

    Baptism is a fitting symbol. It is a fitting testimony of the spiritual reality, the spiritual baptism of Christ, baptism into Christ and to the parts and components of Jesus’ salvation work. Now that has more implications and I’m going to explore more of them with you in just a second.

    But one implication is number three.

    Testimony 3: Union with the Triune God

    Baptism is a testimony not just of union with Christ but of union with the triune God.

    Going back to Matthew 28:19, emphasizing a different part of the verse. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. We’re not just baptized into the name of Jesus, but into the name of the whole Godhead, which means what?

    Well, similar to what I said before, it’s not just that God gives authority to baptize in the name of the whole Godhead. And it’s not just that a person baptized is brought under the authority of the whole Godhead, but that the one baptized is made to intimately associate with and yes, even become one with the triune God.

    “The one baptized is made to intimately associate with and become one with the triune God.”

    You are immersed not just into Christ, but into God. And that only makes sense because Jesus is God. Jesus is one member of the Trinity. So if you are one with Christ and Christ is one with the Father and the Spirit, then you are too, which explains and fits with another statement that we see back in Acts 2:38.

    Acts 2:38 again: Peter said to them, “Repent and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

    Now it is appropriate that the Holy Spirit indwells those who believe in Christ. Why? Because if by faith you are immersed into Christ, then Christ also immerses himself into you by the Holy Spirit.

    But as the Father and Spirit are in the Son, so the Father and Spirit are in us.

    So baptism then is not only a testimony of having received the Holy Spirit but even more broadly of fellowship with the whole Trinity by spiritual union.

    Testimony 4: Cleansing from Sin

    You following me so far? Baptism is a sign of repentance and faith, but also being immersed into Christ and really being immersed into the trinity and the trinity being immersed into you. More implications of this union. Baptism is also a testimony of cleansing from sin.

    Cleansing from sin. Back to Acts 2:38.

    Peter said to them, “Repent and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” This verse has a little bit of controversy because it sounds like baptism itself brings about your forgiveness.

    That’s not what the verse is saying.

    More on that next week. Yet, don’t miss what the verse is saying. There is a clear connection between baptism and forgiveness. Baptism and cleansing. And that makes sense, right? It is water, right? And these types of things, they are almost always associated with cleansing.

    Just as water washes off dirt, baptism is a fitting symbol of our sins being washed away by Christ’s sacrifice.

    “Just as water washes off dirt, so baptism is a fitting symbol of our sins being washed away by Christ’s sacrifice.”

    Baptism itself doesn’t wash away the sins, but it is a symbol of your sins being washed away by faith in Jesus.

    Another verse that says the same thing, a new one this time: Acts 22:16. This is Paul giving his testimony before one of the Roman dignitaries talking about how he was converted. And one of the things he says in recounting it was I can’t remember if this is the man who went to Paul or if this is the spirit itself.

    But Acts 22:16, someone says to Paul, “Now, why do you delay? Get up and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.” Again, this verse could be taken to support the idea that baptism saves you, but that’s not so.

    Nevertheless, that phrase is significant: get baptized and wash away your sins. Baptism is an appropriate symbol of cleansing from sin by faith in Jesus.

    Testimony 5: Escape from Divine Judgment

    Number five, baptism is a testimony of escape from divine judgment. Escape from divine judgment. New text here. 1 Peter 3:18-22.

    I’m giving you the context here because otherwise the statement on baptism is going to sound really out of place.

    Peter writes, “For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit, in which also he went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is eight persons, were brought safely through the water, corresponding to that baptism now saves you, not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven after angels and authorities and powers have been subjected to him.

    1 Peter 3:21: “Baptism now saves you — not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience.”

    Okay, here’s another verse that sounds like baptism is necessary for salvation. We got to come back and talk about that idea next week, but that is not so.

    There is nevertheless a very unexpected analogy here. What is compared to what in verses 20 and 21 of 1 Peter 3 when he says corresponding to that?

    What’s the correspondence?

    Okay, so it does have to do with the spiritual realities of death in the flesh being made alive in the spirit.

    But let me read to you the relevant portions again. Verses 20 and 21 of 1 Peter 3.

    Who once were disobedient when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah during the construction of the ark in which a few, that is eight persons, were brought safely through the water corresponding to that baptism now saves you, not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Okay, what’s the correspondence? Noah and the people in the ark being brought safely through the water and what? Okay. Now, it’s interesting that I heard someone say Christ, but actually specifically in this text is baptism.

    Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you. Not Christ now saves you. Baptism now saves you. Okay. What?

    The Ark and Baptism: Deliverance Through Water

    Just as the ark represented salvation from God’s judgment, so does baptism.

    Peter quickly clarifies, it’s not the cleansing by water. It’s not that itself which saves you, but what such signifies, which is what he says: an appeal to God for a good conscience. And what is that? It’s faith. It’s another way of speaking about saving faith, repentance and faith. Baptism is the symbol of that, and thus he can say baptism now saves you. In short, baptism is a powerful testimony of deliverance from God’s holy wrath and consequently of now having a clean conscience.

    Just as the ark was safely brought through the water, so the baptized person emerges from the water forever safe by faith in Jesus Christ.

    “The baptized person emerges from the water forever safe by faith in Jesus Christ.”

    So it’s like when you see the person come out of the water, you’re like, he’s made it through. He’s made it through the judgment. He’s safe, just like the ark was brought safely through.

    Hallelujah.

    Testimony 6: New Overcoming Spiritual Life

    Yeah. Amen. Hallelujah. It’s not just others. That’s us too, right? If we believe. Number six. Baptism is also a testimony of new overcoming spiritual life. And we’re going back to Romans. I’ll show you the context of that verse that we talked about earlier. Romans 6:2-4.

    I should have read verse one too.

    Basically, Paul asks, “Should we who have died to sin continue to live in it?” Verse two: “May it never be. How should we who died to sin still live in it? Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into his death?

    Therefore, we have been buried with him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.” The context of this discussion of spiritual baptism in Romans 6 is about living a life of holiness.

    Paul’s point is that spiritual baptism and union with Christ means that we have died to sin and that we live to God.

    “Spiritual baptism and union with Christ means that we have died to sin and that we live to God.”

    It isn’t just that Jesus accomplished paying for the penalty of sin by his death and that we’re united to Jesus in that aspect of his work, but that this frees us from the power of sin in our lives.

    Water baptism is a symbol of this reality.

    A person testifies when he’s baptized not only that he has been saved, cleansed, and made eternally alive by Christ, but that such has had an effect in his life so that he can live holy and obedient now.

    He walks in newness of life because he has eternal life by union with Christ.

    And then one more testimony here.

    Testimony 7: Inclusion in Christ’s Church

    Number seven, baptism is a testimony of inclusion in Christ’s church. And this is one we don’t want to forget.

    Acts 2:41. Acts 2:41. So then those who had received his word. Back to the day of Pentecost, Peter’s sermon. Those who had received his word were baptized. And that day there were added about 3,000 souls.

    Added. Added to what?

    The church. The people of God. And even that local assembly in Jerusalem.

    You see, Acts 2:41 shows us there’s not just a connection between faith and baptism. You believe, you get baptized.

    But also, there’s a connection between baptism and being added to the church.

    Baptism is not just a symbol of being joined to Christ, but also of being joined through him to Christ’s people.

    “Baptism is not just a symbol of being joined to Christ, but also of being joined through him to Christ’s people.”

    Baptism Means Being Joined to Christ’s People

    And this is what 1 Corinthians 12:13 says. “For by one spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one spirit.” Now, here’s another passage talking about spiritual baptism into Christ. But if you heard from 1 Corinthians 12:13, notice that this baptism involves being joined into one body. He says, “All of us were now baptized into one body.” Which body?

    It is the church, but it’s the body of Christ. That’s another way that the church is described.

    We are made into one body in Christ with all believers. And that again makes sense, right? If baptism is a testimony of spiritual union with Christ and Christ is united with all his people, then baptism must necessarily be a testimony of being united to all of Christ’s people.

    Because if you’re united to Christ, you’re united to his people.

    So that’s why I say water baptism symbolizes what the reality of spiritual baptism into Christ is. And being plunged into Christ by faith, you are plunged into his church.

    “If you’re united to Christ, you’re united to his people.”

    And hopefully that makes you appreciate even more why I say that baptism’s best take place in a church context and conducted by a church representative because it is a symbol of a person being joined to Christ’s church.

    Summary of the Seven Testimonies

    So then to sum up what I said and to repeat the main statement I said earlier, baptism is an obedient testimony of faith in and union with Christ.

    In water baptism, a person testifies.

    Number one, I have repented of my sin and I believe in Jesus Christ. Number two, I am now immersed in him and I benefit from his entire salvation work.

    Number three, through him I am immersed into the triune God and I have God’s spirit. Number four, I have been washed clean of all my sins. Number five, I have passed safely through the waters of God’s judgment. Number six, I now have God’s overcoming life in me to walk in new holiness. And number seven, I have been immersed into Christ’s body, the church, to grow with the brethren.

    Aren’t those beautiful testimonies?

    Aren’t those wonderful realities to be able to declare?

    And do you see then why what I covered earlier in the lesson must be true.

    Baptism is administered by believers to believers by immersion.

    Any other approach simply does not fit with what baptism means.

    “Baptism is administered by believers to believers by immersion. Any other approach does not fit with what baptism means.”

    If you try and make it you baptize non-believers, all these testimonies are meaningless.

    Or if you say we’re just going to do sprinkling. No, you lose the whole picture. Where’s the immersion into Christ? Where’s the immersion into his people? Where’s the washing away of sins?

    So that’s why these things matter.

    Anyways, so now you’ve heard the overview explanation of our stance at the church. We do hold to believers baptism by immersion because we believe that’s what the scripture teaches. And hopefully you see some of that now, too.

    But next time we’re going to get into some common questions and objections to this position. And we’ve already raised several of them in today’s lesson.

    Questions such as, “What about those Bible passages that make it sure sound like baptism is necessary for salvation?

    What about those references in the New Testament to whole households being baptized at once? Doesn’t that mean that infants and children were also baptized?” And if my earlier baptism, maybe one of you are thinking this or heard people say this, if my earlier baptism wasn’t completely biblical, I was baptized as an infant or I was baptized by sprinkling or pouring or I was baptized by somebody who doesn’t follow the faith today. Should I get baptized again?

    Would it be wrong if I got baptized again? We’ll try and deal with those questions and a few more next time. Got a few minutes at the end of today’s lesson without broaching some of those topics that are going to need a little bit more time.

    Questions and Discussion

    What questions do you have based on today’s lesson? Yeah, Glenda, where did it come about in your church? Okay. In your church now that you have to have like baptismal lessons before you’re baptized, when it because Philip baptized the Ethiopian right away. I believe in teaching, but where did it come about that not what Philip did right away and what we are doing now by teaching people about the church doctrine?

    That’s a great question, Glenda, and it is one I’m going to have to tackle in the next lesson because that’s one of the immediate disjunctions that you see between maybe what we talked about today and what we do today.

    They got baptized immediately after profession of faith. Why do we wait so long? Why do you have to go through a class? Why do you have to be all assessed before baptism? I will say this, and again we’ll say more about this next time.

    That document I mentioned earlier, the Didache, which mentions that in extreme circumstances you can pour rather than immerse. It’s actually a handbook for people who are going to be baptized. And I can’t remember if it’s in that handbook or somewhere else.

    The idea was that if you were a catechumen, if you were somebody being prepared for baptism, you would go through a year of theological training and instruction to make sure you really understood salvation and baptism before you got baptized.

    So that’s not to say, “Oh, what we do today is totally right.” That’s not scripture. The Didache is not scripture. But it does show you that even in the second century, people were concerned about people being baptized too quickly.

    So, more on that next time. Yeah, Dwayne.

    So then in light of all this, would you say that for a Christian not to be baptized would be sin?

    Good question, Dwayne. Would I say based on this that a Christian not being baptized is sin? I think you have to grant that implication because baptizing and being baptized is a matter of obedience. We call baptism an ordinance.

    This is something that Jesus ordained for his church. If you say, “I don’t care about baptism. I don’t really need baptism,” you’re disobeying Jesus. Now, you say, “Well, I want to be baptized, but my church won’t let me, or I got to go through this whole class first.”

    Well, understand that looking to do things the right way, especially in submission to your elders, that is obedience to God. You say, “Okay, well, the Lord knows my heart. I desire to be baptized. I don’t have an opportunity to be baptized right now, but while I wait to be baptized, I’m not in sin until they baptize me.” No, your sincere desire to be baptized and your pursuit of that is also obedience.

    “We call baptism an ordinance — something Jesus ordained for his church. To not care about it is to disobey Jesus.”

    But to go back to your question, Dwayne, to not be baptized and to not care about being baptized, that would definitely be sin. Now, does that mean you can’t be saved? No. But this, like any other matter of command from Jesus in the Christian life, it is a matter of obedience. Denny, yeah, even though you probably didn’t say this, but I always thought that baptism was also a public proclamation of your faith. You’re doing this in front of family, church, and so it’s a public thing. Something that happened internally, now you’re pronouncing externally.

    Yes. So Danny makes a good point. There is a public aspect of baptism. And I do want to say more about this next time because how public does it have to be? Again, we can go back to the Ethiopian eunuch and be like, he wasn’t in a church and there weren’t other Christians around.

    It was just Philip and the eunuch. Well, first of all, it wasn’t just Philip and the eunuch. You think that this really important eunuch is traveling by himself? I think the text even mentions there are other people with him.

    So it’s not like it was totally alone. But there is something exceptional about the Ethiopian eunuch. We don’t want to build our whole doctrine of baptism based on that one instance. It’s kind of a special case.

    Nevertheless, from the way we see baptism being administered in the rest of the book of Acts, yes, it is before the church. It is in some sense public. Now, was it before all the enemies of the church? No, not necessarily. And I don’t think you have to say, “Well, you’re in a Muslim country and you get converted to Christ, you need to go be baptized in a very public way, as everybody knows.” No, I think that’s not only foolish, but not required from the scriptures. But you do need to make it known to some assembly of brethren that you belong to God.

    Can’t just be like, “I’m going to go baptize myself so I can be obedient to God,” or “I’m just going to find one random believer and be like, can you baptize me and then we’ll call that done and just move on with my life.” No, you’re missing the whole point of what baptism is. Baptism means inclusion into Christ’s church.

    How can you rightly testify of that if you’re not with the church in some meaningful way? So, yes, there is some public aspect to this, though not necessarily in the widest sense possible. I think we have time for one more question.

    Lea, well, it’s not a question, it’s a comment, so you won’t have to wait till next week to address it.

    But it’s showing, this lesson is showing how much obedience is a part of it. Not just because it’s a step of obedience and God says Jesus said to do it, but all the other things that go along with what it represents. And it makes me think about people who even do believe in immersion baptism by immersion.

    If you’re not following all the other ones, it seems like there’s a big disconnect between you believe that you are baptized by immersion, but you don’t necessarily have to be part of the church. You’re still like a lone ranger doing whatever you want in your own way. Or though on the opposite end, that well, I’ve been baptized Presbyterian, so like you just been baptized into the church and that’s it.

    And so I’ve been in churches where believers baptism by immersion was the practice, but the testimony is all about, “Oh, when I came to this church, then I really…” It was just so much more about the church than about Christ and about faith.

    So just my comment is that all those points really, it’s a full rounded thing more than just the one thing.

    Yeah. Okay. So that’s a good comment, and I tried to go back to the slide, but I accidentally went forward and ended the presentation. But yeah, it’s baptism is not just like you said a testimony of one thing.

    I joined the church or I joined Christ. It’s those things together. And also I have repented and believed and I am pursuing Christ in greater and greater obedience. If you get baptized and then don’t actually follow Christ, what is that?

    Or if you get baptized and don’t join the church, you’re contradicting your baptism. That’s actually one of the changes that we made. I can’t remember if it’s in the last ten years or more, where it used to be that sometimes people who would believe and they would come to our church and they say, “I’d like to get baptized.”

    And we’re like, “Well, we want to baptize you. We want to help you obey the scriptures and be a good testimony.” They get baptized and then they leave our church. Like, wait, baptism is your testimony of joining Christ’s church, even expressing that in a local church.

    Where did you go? So that’s why baptism is for our church connected with membership because you say if you get baptized, well, the scriptural pattern is you join the church. And if you’re not ready to join this church, well, we think you should get baptized wherever you’re going to join.

    “If you get baptized and don’t join the church, you’re contradicting your baptism.”

    So that’s why we do it that way here.

    Anyways, I think that’s all the time we have for today. If you have other questions, you can let me know afterwards, either by email or talking to me. I have a list of anticipated common questions that I’ll look to go over next time. But if you have other questions that you’d like to make me aware of, either for the next lesson or for the Q&A, please do so. I appreciate your participation today.

    Closing Prayer

    Allow me to close in a word of prayer.

    Heavenly Father, triune God, we are amazed at the gospel. As we think through again what baptism is and how it should be done and what it signifies, wow, Lord, we are amazed at what you’ve done for us, God. You have made us one with Jesus Christ. You have made us one with the whole Godhead. You have cleansed us from sin. You have delivered us through the waters of your judgment and you have given us a new overcoming spiritual life and joined us to your whole people.

    These are wonderful blessings and God, we are glad as we have had opportunity to testify of them in baptism. But Lord, whether we are going to get baptized or we think back to our old baptism, these things are still true.

    So God, we give you thanks. And Lord, we do long to see others baptized. Not because that itself will confer some sort of saving grace, but that will be a testimony, God, of what you’ve already done in their lives and a reminder to the whole church of how good your gospel is.

    So God, as you see fit, I pray that you would provide for more conversions, more deliverances from death, Satan, and sin, more passing through the waters so that we can behold that again. But regardless of that, God, we give you praise and pray that you’ll bless the

  • The Gospel of Repentance and Faith, Questions

    The Gospel of Repentance and Faith, Questions

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    Summary

    The gospel of repentance and faith is explored through its essential components: God’s holiness, man’s sinfulness, Christ’s saving work, and the call to repent and believe. We are reminded that the gospel is not merely an invitation but a command to be obeyed, requiring complete surrender to Christ as Lord. The lesson walks through a God-centered gospel presentation, emphasizing that salvation begins with understanding God’s perfect holiness, recognizing our utter inability to save ourselves, and trusting wholly in Christ’s finished work.

    Key Lessons:

    1. A faithful gospel presentation must begin with God’s holiness and end with a call to repentance — omitting either produces a distorted gospel.
    2. Faith is not mere mental agreement with facts but utter and exclusive reliance on the finished work of Christ, bringing certainty and assurance.
    3. Assurance of salvation rests not on our performance but on Christ’s finished work on the cross, while genuine salvation produces evidence of transformation.
    4. We must contend earnestly for the true gospel without being contentious, discerning false gospels that obscure or add to Christ’s sufficiency.

    Application: We are called to be always prepared to share the gospel with both right content and right character, maintaining the joy of salvation through daily reflection on what God has done, and praying for open doors to proclaim Christ faithfully.

    Discussion Questions:

    1. How does starting a gospel presentation with God’s holiness rather than man’s sinfulness change the way people understand their need for salvation?
    2. What is the difference between healthy self-examination and unhealthy doubt about our salvation, and how do we navigate that tension?
    3. In what practical ways can we prepare ourselves daily — both in content and in character — to share the gospel when opportunities arise?

    Scripture Focus: John 3:16 (God’s love and the gift of eternal life), 1 Peter 3:18 (Christ suffering for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous), Romans 5:6-8 (God’s love demonstrated while we were sinners), Isaiah 59:1-2 (sin separating us from God), 1 John 1:8–2:2 (confession, forgiveness, and Christ as our advocate), Jude 1:3 (contending for the faith once delivered).

    Outline

    Introduction

    Well, good morning and welcome to the Sunday before Christmas. Merry early Christmas to you. Hope you enjoyed the snow last week, but it is long gone. It’s too bad. It was beautiful.

    Praise God. Yeah, Skip, you were pushing through and trying to help us last week. We appreciate that.

    As we introduce the lesson today, I thought I would open with some of the words of the angels to the shepherds in Luke 2, which would be appropriate for us today.

    In the same region, there were some shepherds staying out in the fields and keeping watch over their flock by night. An angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terribly frightened. But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good news of great joy, which will be for all the people. For today in the city of David, there has been born for you a Savior who is Christ the Lord.”

    Salvation and the gospel are all throughout the scriptures. It’s just really amazing.

    Rejoicing in Our Salvation

    And as I consider the phrase “good news” or “good tidings,” we see that even in the Old Testament, Psalm 96 says that we are to proclaim news of good tidings from day to day. This isn’t just for Christmas time; this is for all year round. May the Lord refresh and renew us in the gospel through this second and last lesson on the gospel of repentance and faith.

    I’m going to open with some worship verses that I think will help us, which I commend to you. When the scriptures talk about, for example, in Psalm 51, “Restore to me the joy of your salvation,” how do we maintain the joy of our salvation? I think we do it by reminding ourselves of what God has done. Here are just a few verses that I’ve grown accustomed to reading and praying through each morning, just so I never lose sight of the great salvation that I have in Christ.

    “I waited patiently for the Lord, and he inclined to me and heard my cry. He brought me out of the pit of destruction, out of the miry clay. He set my feet upon a rock and made my footsteps firm. He put a new song in my mouth, a song of praise to our God. Many will see and fear and will trust in the Lord.”

    Isn’t that something we want? We recognize the pit from which God has rescued us, and our hearts are inflamed with thankfulness and worship to God, along with a desire for others to experience that.

    May that be true. May many see, fear, and trust in the Lord as he puts his song in our mouths. We proclaim that in Psalm 34. There are so many precious verses there. “I sought the Lord, and he answered me and delivered me from all my fears. They looked to him and were radiant, and their faces will never be ashamed. This poor man cried, and the Lord heard him and saved him out of all his troubles.”

    “He put a new song in my mouth, a song of praise to our God. Many will see and fear and will trust in the Lord.”

    May that be true of us, particularly around Christmas. May we be radiant with his glory. I think of the words in Isaiah 9, “Arise, shine, for your light has come.” The glory of God has shone, not far from us, but upon us and in us. These are beautiful things for us to reflect on as we think about our salvation.

    “The Lord is my strength and my song, and he has become my salvation.”

    It’s interesting how the scriptures talk about the Lord. Psalm 27 begins with “The Lord is my light and my salvation.” He is our salvation. Psalm 68:19 says, “Blessed be the Lord who daily bears our burden, the God who is our salvation.” Wonderful to think about.

    “The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, my God, my rock in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold. He brought me forth also into a broad place. He rescued me because he delighted in me.”

    Have you ever been out in nature and it gets a little dark or rainy, maybe you feel a bit scared, and then you come out into a field and the sun shows up? How does that feel?

    I know it’s an incredible sense of relief and freedom. I always think about that nature scene when I think about this verse. He rescued us because he delights in us. He brought us into that place of freedom and salvation. It’s wonderful for us to reflect upon that.

    Psalm 51 and the Connection to Evangelism

    And then I’m thankful to our brother Danny who brought this to my attention. He’s out in Washington state for the holidays. I hadn’t thought as much about this as a gospel verse. This is something that you may be accustomed to praying every day. I know that I am as I prepare my heart to receive God’s word.

    But I want to draw your attention to how it ends. Create in me a clean heart, oh God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me away from your presence and do not take your holy spirit from me. Restore to me the joy of your salvation and sustain me with a willing spirit. Then I will teach transgressors your ways and sinners will be converted to you. Isn’t that interesting? There’s a connection between our salvation and our living in its reality right before us that prepares us to lead others to him. May that be so of us.

    “There’s a connection between living in the reality of our salvation and being prepared to lead others to Christ.”

    Let all who seek you rejoice and be glad in you. Let those who love your salvation say continually, “Yahweh be magnified.” Amen. With that, let me pray for us.

    Father, we’re just overwhelmed. May you wash over our spirits this morning. Overwhelm us with the reality of your holiness, the seriousness of sin, and the wonders of your salvation. Particularly this Christmas time when we can be indulgent in all the wrong ways, but we want to be indulgent in your ways. We want to drink deeply from all that you have for us, particularly in the fountain of salvation. Make this morning a time of that, this season a time of that. Would you use us, Father, to lead many to faith and maturity in you, in your way, in your time, in Jesus’ name.

    Amen. All right. This is week two. I think it was three weeks ago now; we missed the week because of the snow.

    I thought we’d dive a little bit more deeply into the essentials of the gospel. Some of you have submitted questions, and Pastor Davis recommended questions as well.

    What Is the Gospel?

    What are the essentials of the gospel?

    What are the things that we need to communicate to say that we have communicated the gospel faithfully? Repentance and faith, assurance in the gospel, right? We can think about what that means. You hear about the idea of assurance of salvation or eternal security, as our statement of faith puts it. I want to talk a little bit about what that means. It’s not a shallow thing; it’s something very deep.

    Then there is contending for the faith. What is the true gospel, and how do we contend for it without being contentious with people? That’s something that God would lead us in. We will have some questions and application, and feel free to ask questions. We have a good amount of content to cover today, but I welcome interruptions as we go. If you might have the mic handy, we might need it sooner rather than later. Thank you for that.

    All right. What is the gospel? One of the things I mentioned last week is that it’s good for us to have a few things in our toolkit to be ready to answer that.

    We are always praying for and looking for open doors for the gospel. Sometimes those windows or doors open and close very quickly.

    Key Gospel Verses

    If we have a quick moment to share something with someone, it’s good for us to have maybe a verse or two just to share. There are three that I’m recommending here. This is probably the most popular one that even many unbelievers know. Many unbelievers have looked up, having watched football, and seen this in the end zone: For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. If you can sow that seed with someone, that’s a wonderful thing. Hopefully, it will lead to further conversations, but that’s a wonderful thing to think about. I’m not over this yet. As familiar as it is, it’s amazing. As believers, we know what it means to perish, right? That’s a very serious thing. Yes, Arthur, you did say we could interrupt you.

    John 3:16: “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    Yes, I did. Thank you.

    I just wanted to point out to everyone, I don’t know why more people don’t see this. One of the reasons I believe this is one of the most favorite verses is that if you look carefully at the words, you’ll see the letters of the gospel actually in the verse. For God so loved the world, there’s your “gotten” Son, there’s your “O” and your “S,” and that another “S” shall not perish, there’s your “P,” eternal life.

    That’s fun. That’s really amazing. The gospel is there even in the English language. Thank you, brother.

    You’re welcome.

    That’s something. You had mentioned this to me before, and I’d forgotten about that. The word “gospel” is in that verse. Another short version is one that I use a lot with people. I think it’s really helpful: For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, so that he might bring you to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit.

    That’s 1 Peter 3:18.

    Then there’s so much we can unpack from these. I’m just going to go fairly quickly. Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. This is not only a great salvation verse; it’s a great assurance verse, is it not? If you’ve passed out of death into life, eternal life is by definition eternal. It’s something that you can’t lose. This is great assurance for the believer as well.

    Here’s the medium version. We talked about this, I think, last week in terms of what is the gospel. This is what Paul said the gospel was: Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed as good news to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I proclaimed to you as good news, unless you believed for nothing. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that he was buried and that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.

    The Importance of the Resurrection

    One of the things you may notice in these last few verses that we’ve talked about is that the resurrection is prominent. I don’t know about you, but particularly early on in my life, when I heard these truncated or brief gospel presentations, the resurrection wasn’t really mentioned.

    I think it’s important that Christ is alive. We serve a risen Savior.

    “It’s important that Christ is alive. We serve a risen Savior.”

    Key Elements of the Gospel

    With that, let me take a few minutes to walk through what I believe are important key elements of the gospel. Some of you were here when we did the grace evangelism series, and I think it was really helpful to equip us in knowing the gospel, having some things maybe a little bit more detailed ready if we have the opportunity to talk with people.

    The God-centered gospel presentation emphasizes God’s glory and man’s sinfulness.

    Let me just ask you, sometimes you see tracts or maybe when you heard the gospel for the first time, do you remember what was the first thing that was mentioned? Does anybody remember?

    Maybe this will resonate with you. The thing that I remember is man is sinful.

    That’s the first thing. But what does that mean if we don’t understand who God is and what sin is? And so that’s really where we want to start. The God-centered message proclaims God’s holiness.

    “The God-centered message proclaims God’s holiness — that’s really where we want to start.”

    I think sometimes we lose sight of the seriousness of sin. How many of you have been following the Kirk Cameron controversy these past two weeks about what he said about hell or what he isn’t saying about hell? It’s really interesting, and it’s so important for us to remember what we’ve been saved from. Eternal conscious torment is an important aspect of the character of God because it shows the holiness of God and the seriousness of sin and the wonders of our salvation. If you give that up, you’re giving up a lot, aren’t you? We must be bold to proclaim and believe the things that God says in his word that are so clear.

    The God-centered message reveals man’s sinful condition. We are sinners both by nature and by behavior.

    We sin because we’re sinners, and we’re sinners because we sin. It’s just part of who we are. That’s the reality we are born with. The God-centered message declares Christ as Savior and Lord.

    It’s really interesting that the phrase “the whole Christ” came to me this past week. I couldn’t get it out of my head. I thought, where have I heard that before? It’s a book by Sinclair Ferguson that kind of unfolds this. He urges believers that when we proclaim Christ, we proclaim the whole Christ.

    Not just part of Christ; he is Savior and he is Lord. In the book of Acts, when it proclaims what Christ has done, particularly his resurrection, it says God has made him both Lord and Christ.

    His resurrection declares something about him: that he is king. That’s part of what we emphasized last week.

    The gospel is good news about the king.

    He is the king, and kings rule with absolute sovereignty. No one more than Christ himself.

    The God-centered message calls sinners to repent and believe in Christ.

    Some of you might remember these. These are good things to cover. If you’ve covered these things, you’ve really covered the gospel. I want to go through the verses that explain this. If you haven’t seen these before, these will be super helpful, but if you have, these will be good reminders. What do we want to communicate about God?

    God Created and Owns Everything

    God created and owns everything.

    By default, God created and owns everything and everyone. The earth is the Lord’s and all it contains, the world and those who dwell in it. That’s Psalm 24:1. It’s important to communicate this to someone who is far from God and doesn’t know him. God is Lord over you whether you realize it or not. He lays claim on you because he created you. He created you. We know in the beginning, God—that’s how we start the whole thing. That’s why atheism is such a big deal. If we remove God, man is quote free but really enslaved, as the gospel tells us. God is perfectly holy; in him, there is no darkness at all. It says in 1 John 1 and in Matthew 5, the command is to be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect. I recall in the Old Testament when God said that to Abraham. I can just imagine how he responded: “Walk before me and be perfect.”

    Psalm 24:1: “The earth is the Lord’s, and all it contains, the world and those who dwell in it.”

    God Demands Perfect Obedience

    What do you do with that? I think my reaction would be, well, it’s too late for that. Enter the gospel. God demands perfect obedience to his law.

    God’s standard is perfection. James 2:10 tells us that if we have violated or disobeyed one command, it’s as if we have violated the whole thing.

    “God’s standard is perfection. If we have violated one command, it’s as if we have violated the whole thing.”

    When we think about eternal punishment and all those things, it’s not a matter of degrees. There are others who are more sinful than us. I presume none of us is as sinful in an outward way as some of the villains of the past, like Hitler, Marx, and Stalin. Yet we’re on the same level as far as God is concerned, which is hard for us to believe. It’s all molehills compared to the huge mountain that is God. It’s important for us to remember that his standard is perfection, and he rightly demands that.

    Man Has Broken God’s Law

    What about man? Well, man has broken God’s law. Romans 3 is really important to think through as it quotes from the Psalms that there is none righteous, not even one. I think that’s one of the most common things, isn’t it?

    When we talk to people about the gospel, what do people say about their own goodness? What’s the phrase they use?

    Not so bad.

    Not so bad.

    I didn’t kill anybody. I’m a basically good person. What does that mean? “Basically” is kind of loaded. You recall Jesus’ conversation with the rich young ruler: “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” What did Jesus say?

    “Why call me good? There is no one good but God alone.” We must have his definition of good. It’s not that God grades on a curve.

    “Why call me good? There is no one good but God alone. We must have his definition of good.”

    Sin Separates Us from God

    We must recognize this. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Look with me at Isaiah 55.

    I love this one. I think it is graphic for us in a good way.

    The arm of the Lord is not too short to save, nor is his ear too dull to hear. But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you so that he does not hear.

    Isaiah 59:1-2: “Your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you.”

    Who’s accountable for the separation?

    It’s us. We’ve got to own that.

    We live in a society and a culture that, in many ways, is like an excuse factory.

    I am probably too impatient when I’m around people and they start making excuses. Particularly in this country, where we have so many blessings and benefits, go someplace else for a little bit and see how you do. Overall, that’s not a political statement; it’s just a reality that we are accountable to God regardless of our situation in life. We have violated his law; sin has separated us from him.

    But we’ll get to the good news in a minute. Man will pay the eternal penalty for sin, for the wages of sin is death.

    That’s eternal death. But the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. I think we talked about this last week. Why hell? If we walk away from the source of eternal life, there can be nothing but eternal death.

    This is not illogical. This is not unjust. This is reality.

    Man Cannot Save Himself

    That you can see how I think it was John MacArthur who wrote a book called Hard to Believe. You can see how this grates against our human sinful nature and our pride. We don’t naturally gravitate to or want to believe this. And then this is a big one: God cannot save himself by his good works.

    If the standard is perfection, if you sin once, there’s no way you can get there.

    As a recovering perfectionist, as I’ve mentioned, I gravitate toward the idea that there might be some way to make up for all the sins that I’ve committed. That has an appeal to me. I think it has an appeal to a lot of people, and there are a lot of religious systems—really every religious system except for Christianity—that will accommodate that and give you a false path to that.

    Titus 3:5 states, “He saved us not on the basis of the deeds which we’ve done in unrighteousness, but by his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit.” Isaiah 64:6 is very straightforward.

    “For all of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment, and all of us wither like a leaf, and our iniquities like the wind carry us away.” Our very best apart from God is repulsive to God. Isn’t that amazing? All of our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment.

    Isaiah 64:6: “All our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment. Our very best apart from God is repulsive to God.”

    So when someone talks about, “I’m basically a good person. I’ve done this. I’ve done that,” some of my more Catholic friends will really work hard to assert themselves. I think about this and become horrified. Don’t you realize that what you’ve just said is repulsive to God? The very thing that you’re asserting as the means for you to get in is the thing that keeps you out because of your pride. Isn’t that amazing?

    I talked to a friend recently who was kind of moving in that direction, and there was a lot of “I, I, I” and “me, me.” My eyes were getting big, and I was thinking about this, just horrified. What does that say about our glorious gospel? What does that say about our Lord?

    And then, of course, Ephesians 2:8-9 states, “For by grace we have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves. It is a gift of God.”

    Christ: Fully God and Fully Man

    That no one may boast. I hear this and I just hear boasting. I hear boasting, and I think God does too. We have to be really careful, even as believers, to keep humble as our Savior was. This is so important.

    Think about the incarnation. Jesus entered into that. That’s amazing. He didn’t have to do that. But as we know, that was the plan all along.

    Let’s talk about Christ. Christ came to earth as both God and as sinless man. This is one I probably should memorize, but I don’t have it handy, so I’m just going to read it: Colossians 2:9. For in him, yes, for in him all the fullness of deity dwells in bodily form. He is both fully God and fully man. That’s a mystery. We can’t fully explain that. That’s amazing.

    “He is both fully God and fully man. That’s a mystery we can’t fully explain. That’s amazing.”

    He demonstrated God’s love by dying on a cross to pay sin’s penalty.

    Everything that needed to be done for us to avoid hell has been done.

    Christ Died for Us While We Were Sinners

    For God demonstrates his own love toward us.

    Look with me at Romans 5.

    Incredible.

    As you can tell, I’m not over it yet.

    For while we were still weak, starting at verse six, at the right time, Christ died for the ungodly. For one will hardly die for a righteous man, though perhaps for a good man someone would dare even to die.

    But God demonstrates his own love toward us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

    Romans 5:8: “While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”

    We think about the crucifixion and all that went on around that—people slapping him, spitting at him, all of that.

    He died for them.

    At least he offers his salvation to all sinners, and they reject. So many reject. Most reject. That’s what he died for.

    There are a number of other verses that demonstrate this as well, and I encourage you to commit them to memory. Then he rose from the grave and is alive today. We read that in 1 Corinthians 15.

    Utter and complete victory, not only in the body but in the spirit. Right? He was made alive in the spirit, and he experienced spiritual victory. I think it’s in Hebrews that it says he tasted death for everyone.

    Right? This is what Christ did. It’s really worthwhile to explain this—not just sliding over, “Well, Christ died for your sins. Just pray this prayer and you’re good.” Let’s really talk about what happened here. That’s an amazing thing.

    The Call to Repent and Believe

    And then sinners, what must sinners do?

    They must repent of all that dishonors God.

    Look with me again at Isaiah 55. When we think of repentance, this is probably the best biblical definition of repentance that we have.

    “Let the wicked man forsake his way and the unrighteous man his thoughts, and let him turn to God, and he will have mercy and abundantly pardon.” Let’s see, where am I here? I’m not quite getting that. Yeah. And he’ll have compassion on him and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

    It’s a wholesale rejection of our thoughts, our words, and our ways. All of them are corrupted, and that’s what we must repent of. In Luke 9:23, we’ll talk a little more about this as we go on. “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.” There’s so much in the unbelieving world and even in the professing believing world that says you have to assert yourself.

    “Repentance is a wholesale rejection of our thoughts, our words, and our ways. All of them are corrupted.”

    Arthur, I’m glad you brought this up because I had a comment when you mentioned man.

    Yeah, this is better.

    What I’m going to say is that when I worked for the state as a counselor, the word “sinner” gets exchanged for the word “abused.”

    Yeah. The word “sinner” gets exchanged for the word “abused.” Okay, got it.

    And so what happens is, I mean, I’ve had my own experience in that I was abused as a child.

    Yeah.

    And when you’re abused, one of the serious consequences is extremely ungodly character.

    Yeah.

    What happens is when you have people counsel people like this who aren’t Christian or don’t have the word of God, they may introduce the person to Christ on a level where they say, “God loves you. Because he loves you, he accepts you.”

    But the idea of talking about sin is where they really lack. They don’t address the actions of the person.

    Yeah.

    See, that’s interesting because there’s a lot to unpack there. There are horrible things that happen to people, and people are sinned against.

    But at the same time, we are both victims and abusers, all of us as sinners. You have to have both in the equation. It’s interesting that even though there are horrible things that happen to people—and brother, you and I have talked about that—it’s still not an excuse, correct? In the world, there are excuses instead of the redemption that’s in Christ.

    Praise God for redeeming you, brother.

    Yeah. So we must repent of all that dishonors God. We must believe in Christ as Lord and Savior. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

    Lordship salvation. It’s right. If we confess that he is Lord, we take over our lives. I surrender to you. I no longer am following myself; I’m following you. When we hear things like lordship salvation, maybe we can talk about that a little bit later. It’s a redundant term. There’s no other kind, right? We are surrendering ourselves to him as Lord because he is Lord.

    And then, will you repent and believe in Christ? In Acts 17, it says God has commanded all people everywhere to repent.

    And that’s a bad word in our culture.

    But what was the word that I associated the last time we talked?

    Anybody remember? When you think of repentance, think of what?

    I guess I didn’t do a very good job.

    It’s a change of mind, right?

    Repentance and Refreshing

    Turning away from self and toward Christ. Toward God. There’s another R word that I would love us all to associate with repentance. I’ll just share the verse from Acts.

    Repent and return, that times of refreshing may come to you from the presence of the Lord. Always associate repentance with refreshing. I think it’s Proverbs 28:13 that says he who conceals his transgressions will not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will find compassion. Right? We always want to enter into repentance not simply to come to Christ but as part of our regular rhythm of life. We talked about how, as we have received Christ, we should walk in him. That’s how that goes. I hope that’s really helpful for you. If you have the notebook from the grace evangelism class, go back and refresh yourself in it. Otherwise, you can look at these slides and have them ready for when you talk with unbelieving friends.

    Acts 3:19: “Repent and return, that times of refreshing may come to you from the presence of the Lord.”

    Repentance Is Essential to the Gospel

    Jesus said to them, “It is written that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in his name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.” Is preaching repentance essential to the gospel? Yes. The phrase “repentance for the forgiveness of sins” shows up several times.

    Second Peter 3:9 states, “The Lord is not slow about his promise as some consider slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance.” You see the direct contrast: perish or repentance.

    2 Peter 3:9: “The Lord is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance.”

    Very, very clear. One of the things I mentioned last time I taught was that I think the two weaknesses of most American presentations of the gospel, at least those I have been exposed to, is that it doesn’t start with God primarily and it doesn’t end with repentance. If we give those the short end of the stick, we are not preaching the gospel. We’re not proclaiming the gospel faithfully. But God desires repentance so that we would come to him fully. Therefore, having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now commanding men that everyone everywhere should repent.

    The Gospel as Command

    We mentioned that earlier, and that brings to our attention one of the aspects of the gospel that sometimes we forget. We think of the gospel as an invitation. It is that; it is a command.

    1 Thessalonians 1 talks about what happens to people who do not obey the gospel. It is an invitation to be accepted, but the gospel is a command to be obeyed for everyone. When we hear things like, “Well, if someone intends good and they never hear the gospel or they haven’t really received Christ, God will accept them,” what does that say about the work of Christ? If that’s true, as it says in Galatians, then Christ died needlessly. We don’t say that. We don’t say that at all.

    “The gospel is not only an invitation to be accepted — it is a command to be obeyed.”

    Therefore, leaving the elementary teaching about Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and a faith toward God.

    There is a lot to unpack there.

    But we need to repent from dead works—those works that we talked about in Isaiah 55, those works that are odious and repulsive to God. They are filthy rags. We repent from those things. We don’t assert those things.

    Faith: Utter Reliance on Christ

    All right. Faith. Let me dive a little bit more deeply than we did last time on this. Now, faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. When we talk about faith, we talked about it not being merely mental assent to facts.

    There are a lot of people who might do that about Christ. In the book of James, it says that even the demons believe and shudder. They’re not saved. They understand it.

    I would say, and others have said this before, too, that demons probably have better theology than you and I do. They understand at a level that we don’t, but they’re not saved because they haven’t put their utter reliance in Christ. Faith is utter and exclusive reliance on the finished work of Christ for salvation and absolute assurance in it. You can have absolute assurance.

    “Faith is utter and exclusive reliance on the finished work of Christ for salvation and absolute assurance in it.”

    Faith is certainty. I will talk a little bit more about that later. Faith is certainty. Doubt is not a virtue.

    That’s kind of a common thing that you may have heard with some modern evangelical books: we want to embrace our doubts. Now, I’m not saying that we shouldn’t dig deep and ask questions honestly. That’s important.

    But we also have to recognize what it says in the book of James. The one who doubts is unstable and ought not to expect that they would receive anything from the Lord. There is a bedrock assurance that we have in faith in Christ.

    Preparing for Gospel Conversations

    All right. Before I get into this, any questions or comments before I discuss how we prepare ourselves for gospel conversations?

    Either I’m doing a really good job or a really bad job. I can’t quite tell.

    Thank you, brother. Devote yourselves to prayer, being watchful in it with thanksgiving, praying at the same time for us as well, that God will open up to us a door for the word. Let your words always be with grace, seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should answer each person. Isn’t that a wonderful thing to aspire to as we pray for open doors?

    I think we talked about this last time. We don’t kick down closed doors. We need discernment here, but we pray for open doors. Ria, I appreciated your questions last time about this. We have friends and family members that we don’t always have those open doors, right? But we desire their salvation, and we want to do that in a wise way.

    Lord, how do I respond to them with grace? How do I know how to respond? A good way to open each day is to pray that every situation I’m in would reflect something of the gospel. May I always be ready to reflect Christ in word and in deed.

    Colossians 4:2-6: “Devote yourselves to prayer… that God will open up to us a door for the word.”

    Nope, went the wrong way.

    The Right Heart for Sharing Christ

    Sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and fear. Those items that we just went through a few minutes ago are a means by which we should always be prepared, always ready, excited about the opportunity. But the readiness, I think you’ll notice, isn’t simply knowing the right content but having the right heart. You see that?

    Sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts.

    If you want to call other people to submit to him as Lord, if you and I want to do that, we need to be in a place where we’re submissive to him as Lord, right? We are. Then we saw in Psalm 51, “Create in me a clean heart,” right? It ends with, “Then I will teach transgressors your ways, and sinners will be converted to you.” There’s an inner preparation of both content and character of being aligned with him. One of the things I shared last time was that I’m embarrassed about the times that I shared Christ in an impatient way, not reflecting his character. We always want to make sure that in both how we say it and what we say, we’re doing it with the character that reflects Christ.

    “Readiness isn’t simply knowing the right content, but having the right heart. Sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts.”

    So let’s talk a little bit about Glenda.

    The Object of Faith

    Hold on. Let me get a mic for you. I go back to faith. When you listen to the health and wealth teachings, they think that you can have faith if you want a car or a house. They have faith in things.

    The object of faith is who Christ is. That’s where we put our faith—in the person. But the health and wealth teachings put their faith in things.

    Whatever they think they want, they believe they have seen it out there, and their faith can bring it to them. That’s what they’re teaching. The object of faith is not Christ; for the health and wealth teachings, the object of faith is the things they want. That’s not our teaching of faith. Faith is about who we have as the object of our faith.

    Amen.

    If you listen to the health and wealth teachings, whatever they want, just think about it. It’s as if faith is floating out there, and if I want a car, a house, or a big bank account, I just think on these things. That’s where they anchor their faith—in things, not in Christ.

    “The object of faith is Christ himself — who he is — not things we want from him.”

    That’s a great point, Glenda. What is our faith in, and what is it for? It is centered on him. I often think when people say things like, “God’s going to make me healthy, wealthy, and wise,” it takes so many forms.

    It’s been around for millennia now. I have a sense that God is thinking, “Really? That’s all you want? I can give you that in an instant. I have so much more in mind for you.”

    For example, in Hebrews 12, it says, “He disciplines us for our good that we might share his holiness.” That’s a little bit more generous than stuff. I read that and think, “God’s going to let me share his holiness. Be like Christ, not only in this life but into eternity.” That’s a little bit better than a new car, right? Not to mention that Jesus said clearly you cannot serve God and wealth, and the prosperity gospel puts wealth on the throne, really putting self on the throne.

    Okay, I’m not going to say any more about that. I think that’s pretty clear.

    Assurance in the Gospel

    Let’s talk about assurance in the gospel. None of you can be my disciple who does not give up all his possessions. Turn with me to Luke 14. I commend this to you for consideration. This is something that is often not talked about when we bring the gospel to people. It may be titled in your Bible starting at verse 25, “The Cost of Discipleship.” What is the cost of discipleship? What is the cost of coming to Christ?

    Everything. Everything. I mentioned before that I have one person who asked me this question: “Mark, what’s it going to cost me to follow Christ?”

    Let Christ answer that question for you. Here it is: Is he worth it?

    Yes.

    We mentioned this earlier. He was saying to them all, “If anyone wishes to come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.” Glenda, this stands in opposition to what you just said. We don’t assert ourselves. We don’t put ourselves in the center. We deny ourselves. And again, is it worth it? Is it worth it? Yes. Think about all those analogies Jesus gave in the parables.

    “What’s it going to cost me to follow Christ? Everything. Is he worth it? Yeah.”

    A person sold all they had and bought a field so he could dig and find that pearl of great price.

    Yes, it’s worth all of that. Jesus is worth all of that. Sometimes we’re a little too comfortable to realize that. If we’re anxious about stuff, which I get sometimes, I’m sure I’m not the only one about God’s provision, it shows maybe I haven’t given that up as I should.

    He is different. Amen.

    He is our provision.

    Amen. As I mentioned last time, this doesn’t mean we sell all of our possessions and move on. What it means is we relinquish our ownership of those possessions and say it all belongs to him. That may mean you sell all your possessions and take off. Some people do that, right? But you live differently. I think of it this way: If you’re a steward and not an owner, is a steward or a slave anxious? Is a steward or a slave worried about provision? No.

    That’s a given. He just wants to manage what he’s been given well. I think often I, and maybe you, act like an owner more than a steward. If you’re a steward, we walk with freedom in taking care of what God has given us. The witness is this: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has the life. He who does not have the Son of God does not have that life. These things I’ve written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

    Again, the assurance of faith, the certainty of faith—you can know. In Romans 8, it says, “The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are the children of God.” This is an internal assurance that we can have if we have the Son of God. And that’s a wonderful thing to think about. Not a shallow thing, but a deep thing. I’m going to walk through a little bit of a tension that I think does need to be there with this.

    The Tension Between Assurance and Examination

    There’s a tension here between assurance and examination because we have verses like this. We have Luke 10 and other verses that talk plainly and forthrightly about eternal security. But it also urges us to examine ourselves to see if we’re in the faith.

    Jesus talked about the wheat and the tares. There are people among believers who are not believers, who look like believers and may think they’re believers, but time will tell that they’re not. We are to test ourselves to see, as it says, test yourselves to see if you are in the faith. Examine yourselves, or do you not recognize about yourselves that Jesus Christ is in you unless you fail the test?

    “There’s a tension between assurance and examination. We are to test ourselves to see if we are in the faith.”

    Now, 1 John 1 tells us that this is really helpful. Actually, let’s turn there because I think this is incredibly helpful for us. When I first came to Christ, I think I’ve shared that part of what led me to knowing that I needed him was that he could see my thoughts. I was horrified immediately because I thought, well, then I’m definitely going to hell. Even as an eight-year-old, this was really clear to me.

    Almost immediately after I came to Christ, I had a heightened sensitivity to sin, but it was overrealized to the degree that I thought to myself, I cannot confess sin as fast as I’m committing it. I can’t keep up. This is what I felt because I knew my thoughts were not always pleasing to him.

    1 John 1, starting in verse 8: If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. This is to believers. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar and his word is not in us.

    Then it continues, “My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you,” this is an unfortunate chapter break. “I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, not you and I the righteous.

    He himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not only for ours, but also for those of the whole world. What do we base our eternal security on? Not our performance, but on his performance.

    A pastor friend of mine explained to me in such a helpful way, what do you look to for assurance of salvation? It’s very common in American Christianity to say, well, look back to that day that you made this decision. He said, “No, we need to look further back to the cross where he made his decision to save you.” We base it on him.

    We really do want to say that. The question is, is there evidence that that’s happened? I just want to be careful to say this isn’t about basing our salvation on our performance. Yet, we are saved to good works, as we saw in Ephesians 2. We want to see if there is evidence that we are saved. As I just quoted from Romans 8, the Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we’re children of God, a desire for righteousness, and a hatred of sin. Those are things that we should see.

    Evidence of Salvation: The Ongoing Battle with Sin

    But a man must test himself. This is from 1 Corinthians 11, which is our primary instruction for the Lord’s table. A man must test himself, and in doing so, he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. When we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world. This is why we should examine ourselves like this at least once a month, right? When we do the Lord’s table, we should ask, “Am I in Christ or am I condemned with the world? Is the pattern of my life unrepentant sin, or is the pattern of my life seeking him?”

    If you have a guilty conscience because of sin, that’s not a sign. In Romans 7, Paul said, “That which I do not do, that what I want to do, I don’t do.” This is the conflict between flesh and spirit. On the one hand, I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but with the other, my flesh serves the law of sin.

    This is one of the unfortunate chapter breaks.

    What’s the next verse? “There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.” The fact that sin bothers you and that you’re still fighting it is evidence not of a lack of salvation but of salvation. If it stops bothering you, then you’ve got something to really look at. I just want to encourage us with that.

    “The fact that sin bothers you and you’re still fighting it is evidence not of a lack of salvation but of salvation.”

    Contending for the Faith

    Got just a few minutes here. I’ll give you 10 minutes. Contending for the faith, the true gospel. I love this from Jude 1. Beloved, while I was making every effort to write to you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you exhorting that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.

    We see in the context of the book of Jude false teachers attacking the church. We see this throughout the New Testament. It really kicked in early. We must be on the defense. We must contend for it. We must fight for it. And what is it? It was once for all handed down to the saints.

    The gospel is a stewardship. It’s a message that we don’t make up, that we don’t modify. It’s a message that we’re faithful to. But we are to contend for it. As I said earlier, we must contend, but we must not be contentious. The Lord’s bond servant must not be quarrelsome, as it says in Second Timothy, but patient with all.

    Jude 1:3: “Contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.”

    The Lord’s slave must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition. If perhaps God may give them repentance leading to the full knowledge of the truth. There’s a way to be bold without being contentious, without being prideful. That’s what God calls us to.

    Let’s talk a little bit about false gospels. I’m just amazed. If you look at the book of Galatians, he is grieved over them lapsing in their understanding of the gospel. He says to the Galatians, “But even if we or an angel from heaven should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to the gospel we have proclaimed to you, let him be accursed.” This is actually quite literal.

    Does anybody know any false religions based on the revelation of an angel?

    Islam, Mormonism.

    What’s that?

    Seventh Day Adventist. One branch of it, I think, with that one prophetess.

    Ellen G. White.

    For such men, the scriptures say, are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.

    And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Therefore, it is not surprising if his ministers also disguise themselves as ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.

    Satan doesn’t come to us with a red outfit, a pitchfork, and a pointy tail. He looks really good. His ministers look really good. Sometimes they wear attractive or ridiculous costumes, either physically or in their style. We need to be very discerning about false gospels.

    False Gospels: Easy Believism

    Some examples we’ve talked about are easy believism versus lordship salvation.

    I mentioned the book “Hard to Believe.”

    The gospel is hard to believe. I would say it’s impossible to believe unless you are born again. You cannot even see the kingdom of God. Jesus said God has to do something in you. Lowering the bar to an unscriptural level, taking the holiness of God out, and taking repentance out puts you on a road of easy believism. Then people say they’ve come to Christ, but they don’t live for him. You wonder why.

    Because it’s kind of a bait and switch, isn’t it?

    We must count the cost. If you look at Luke 14, no one goes into battle or builds a building without counting the cost. This is why I think we need to be really ready for longer conversations with people about the gospel. What are we putting before them? A complete surrender of their lives and their eternity to God. That’s not a decision that most people are going to make quickly.

    “The gospel is hard to believe — impossible unless you are born again. We must count the cost.”

    Nor should they consider the claims of Christ. Is he Lord? Am I ready to surrender all that I am and all that I have to him?

    Again, because I’ve had so much experience counseling, you find people with addictions where easy believism is so common because they’re desperate.

    When you have an addiction, you’ll do anything. You see the destructiveness of it, and you’ll do anything to try to escape from it, even accept Jesus Christ. The problem is that when a person accepts Christ in that manner, it’s only because they’re trying to overcome that one sin.

    They don’t think about their whole life and how much there is to repent of. It does such damage. Thank you, brother. God might free you from that addiction, which is part of the outcome of your salvation, but that’s not the goal. I know I’ve mentioned to you before a friend who professed Christ because his wife was a believer and he thought it would help his marriage. He fell away because his goal wasn’t Christ; his goal was something from Christ. That’s why lordship is so important. We need to discern that. Sacramentalism.

    False Gospels: Sacramentalism and Cults

    There’s a lot I can say here. These are forms of believing salvation can come from, or at least in part from, human tradition. Mark 7 is one of several passages where Jesus impugned the Pharisees for teaching as doctrines the precepts of men, teaching human tradition as if it were from God. Baptismal regeneration is an example of this.

    I had a friend that I’ve been speaking to lately who’s on his way toward Catholicism. We walked through the Roman Catholic catechism a little bit, and it’s horrifying because it’s such a mix of faith and works. It uses maybe the same terminology that you would agree with, but it means something completely different. The most common examples would be Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, where faith and works are mixed. You’re asserting yourself, and they confuse the evidence of salvation with merit. The way they use the word “merit” is really quite something. I can see in my pride, even as a believer, that I could go along with that. It sounds like I can assert that I did something. We have to be really careful about that.

    Even in some forms of more formal Protestantism, like Presbyterianism, I think when you start to get into infant baptism—which I know they say doesn’t save—you begin to enter unbiblical categories that can be really confusing to people. I was asked to mention this, and I think it’s important. Some of you may know of a concept that’s fading a bit but is still out there called federal vision. Has anybody heard about that? Doug Wilson and his crew out in Moscow, Idaho, really promote this. They go further than infant baptism; they go to infant communion. Now we’re getting into all kinds of crazy, to be quite honest with you. These things are really unbiblical and confuse people about how they are part of God’s people and the kingdom of God.

    I have many Presbyterian friends that I love, and they’re believers, right? But I think some of the hyper use of those traditions can really be confusing to people. We have to be careful. Cults, right? In short, professing a different Christ, as I preached earlier this year in 1 John 4:1-6. We need to be right about the human and divine nature of Christ. If you’re talking with a Jehovah’s Witness or a Mormon, people like that, you can make that a fairly short conversation. It’s discerning if you should be talking to them at all. I understand various convictions about that.

    Who is Jesus? Get right to it, and you’ll find they don’t believe he’s God.

    “Know the gospel so well that you can spot any counterfeit. Who is Jesus? Get right to it.”

    That’s almost universal in any of the false cults that purport to be Christian. Go right there. Who is Jesus? You may know that the New World Translation of the Bible, which comes from Jehovah’s Witnesses, John 1:1 says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”

    That’s not what it says. So that’s just an example to be really careful. I will say this: it can be overwhelming if you read books on cults and things, which I did in college, because there are a lot of different belief systems around. You can be tempted to think you need to know a lot about all these different things.

    How does someone spot a counterfeit? There are professionals who know the real thing so well. That’s what we need. That’s what I’m advocating for.

    Quick Questions and Closing

    Yeah, I think it’s helpful to know some things, but know the gospel and be grounded in the gospel. As Jesus said, “My sheep hear my voice, and a stranger, they simply will not follow.” That can happen to us as we grow in him. It’s all about the nature of Christ and the gospel. We are right at time, Glenda. I’m so sorry. That was my fault. Anything that obscures or adds to these is to be avoided. Anything that adds to Christ or obscures Christ is to be avoided.

    Just real quick, can you lose your salvation? No. Spend some time in Hebrews 6. Even in my own family, we have conversations about this. There are people who can pretend to be Christians, who can really seem like Christians, and over time it’s revealed. Hebrews 6 tells us that, and if you keep reading, it talks about how we are convinced of better things concerning you, things with regard to salvation. I think it’s super clear in that passage; he’s not talking about believers. The exclusivity of Christ—no one comes to the Father but by me—this is probably the biggest question. John 14:6. Is that fair?

    No, it’s not fair. God doesn’t have to offer anything to you. It’s incredibly unfair because God offers grace when he doesn’t have to. That part is not fair. To quote the theologians Reliant K, the beauty of grace is that it makes life not fair. In that way, it’s not fair. There’s a lot to explore there.

    Is the doctrine of hell unloving? I talked about that a little bit earlier. It reflects the holiness of God, the seriousness of sin, and the wonders of salvation. We need to be real careful how we talk about it. We’re not heartless, but it’s a great motivator—both a great occasion for worship for us, for our salvation, and a motivation in our love for others, our heart for others.

    What is the difference between justification and sanctification? I think I alluded to that a little bit when I talked about sacramentalism, where there’s a confusion of those things. Romans 8:3 says, “God sent his Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.” Christ has fulfilled the requirement once for all on the cross, and he’s fulfilling the requirement in us as we are sanctified. There’s a lot to unpack there.

    That’s a quick one, and then just some recommended resources for us that I’ve mentioned. I’m sorry for going overtime. I’m open to questions afterward. I hope this has been a time of worship for you. To say that our salvation is awesome doesn’t even begin to cover it.

    And so, Lord, would you just have, even at this Christmas time, the reality of the coming of Christ, our unworthiness, your glory, your condescension, just explode within our hearts and overflow in us, among us, and through us to the salvation of others.

  • The Gospel of Repentance and Faith, Overview

    The Gospel of Repentance and Faith, Overview

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    Summary

    The gospel of repentance and faith is explored as a foundational doctrine that believers never “move on” from. The gospel is not merely an abstract set of facts but is Christ himself — a royal announcement of the coming King and his kingdom. We are reminded that the gospel is an invitation to be accepted, a command to be obeyed, and an eternal plan to trust.

    Key Lessons:

    1. The gospel must be communicated using Scripture — God’s Word is the incorruptible seed that brings about eternal life, not our own ideas or summaries.
    2. Repentance is a change of mind and heart that results in obvious, outward fruit — it is not a work we perform but a gift from God that turns us from self to him.
    3. Faith is not merely mental assent to truth but active, personal trust in Christ — utter assurance and reliance on the Son of God.
    4. Both repentance and faith are gifts from God that cannot be self-generated, yet both are necessary for salvation and continue as a pattern throughout the Christian life.

    Application: We are called to be prepared to clearly explain the gospel from Scripture — both in short and extended conversations — and to walk through the open doors God provides for evangelism, trusting his power rather than our own efforts.

    Discussion Questions:

    1. If someone asked you today, “What is the gospel?” could you give a clear, Scripture-based answer in both a brief and extended form?
    2. How does understanding that repentance and faith are gifts from God change the way we approach evangelism and our concern for the lost?
    3. In what ways do we still need to practice repentance and faith as ongoing patterns in our daily walk with Christ?

    Scripture Focus: Mark 1:14-15 (Jesus’ first recorded words: “Repent and believe in the gospel”), 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (the gospel Paul received and delivered), Isaiah 55:6-11 (forsaking our ways for God’s ways and the power of his Word), John 5:24 (passing from death to life), Hebrews 11:1 (the definition of faith), Ephesians 2:8-9 (salvation as a gift of God).

    Outline

    Introduction

    Good morning, everyone. Hope you enjoyed being serenaded by our worship team with some Christmas music this morning.

    That’s just wonderful. It’s that season, isn’t it? We can feel it in the weather. Well, we’re going to continue this morning our series on defending doctrinal distinctives. Today’s lesson is in two parts and it’s on the gospel of repentance and faith.

    My initial reaction is, where do you start with a green light like that?

    There’s a lot to cover. May the Lord use his word to impress on our hearts what he wants for us today. Let me start with Jesus’ first recorded words in the Gospels. Now after John had been delivered up into custody, Jesus came into Galilee preaching the gospel of God and saying, “The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent and believe in the gospel.”

    We see these stated explicitly throughout the scriptures and implied in many others.

    Another passage I’d like us to keep in mind as we study today is in Colossians 2.

    Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, having been firmly rooted and being built up in him and having been established in your faith just as you were instructed and abounding with thanksgiving.

    With that, let me pray for us.

    Father, may the glorious realities and hope of the gospel be enlivened in our hearts this morning. May its eternal origins, its present relevance, and future hope be understood and sought in our understanding. Father, may we receive, communicate, and defend it faithfully to your glory, to our good, and to the salvation and sanctification of many for future generations. May we walk in you as we have received you by repentance and faith. Amen. Amen.

    Never Moving On from the Gospel

    Have any of you ever heard a phrase or an expression that might go something like this? We need to move on from the gospel and focus on discipleship. Has anyone ever heard anything like that?

    One person. Okay. It typically happens where it used to be much more traditional to give a formal gospel presentation and what’s called an altar call. You might have heard that expression to respond to the gospel. Some churches have had a habit of doing that every week.

    Sometimes I’ve heard believers respond to that by saying, “We don’t need to do that. We need to move on.” As I’ve thought about that over the years, I wondered, “Do we ever really move on from the gospel?” We do not. That’s an emphatic no. From the front row right here. What’s our theme verse for Calvary? Romans 1:16.

    “Do we ever really move on from the gospel? We do not.”

    For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. It goes on to say, in it, the righteousness of God is revealed, right, from faith to faith.

    There is a sense in which we always need to grow in our understanding of and walking in the gospel. I don’t know about you, but when I think about this time of year and the coming of Christ and how amazing that is, I’m not over it yet.

    I hope you’re not over it yet either. I hope this is a time where we really understand more about it, that it becomes more alive to us in the Christmas season. I hope we understand more of Christ and want more of him, and our hearts are just raised up not just in emotion but in true understanding and true worship.

    Another verse I’d like us to consider as we proceed is important because I think there are a lot of misunderstandings of what the gospel is.

    “I’m not over it yet. I hope you’re not over it yet either.”

    This series, these two weeks, are meant to help us with that, to really understand and maybe even compare how some people speak of the gospel and compare that to what the scriptures actually say the gospel is. If our description of the gospel doesn’t match what Jesus said or what the apostles said, something’s off. I think we’ll find, as we really examine those things, you might be surprised at how some of the things that people commonly say compare to what the scripture actually says.

    Here’s an example:

    And this gospel of the kingdom shall be proclaimed in the whole world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

    That phrase “gospel of the kingdom” or associating the gospel with the kingdom of God shows up a lot in the scriptures, but I don’t know that it shows up so much in how we talk about it with people or how it’s commonly discussed.

    It’s a royal announcement of the coming of the king. When people talk about expressions like lordship salvation, you ever heard that expression? It seems redundant because the gospel is all about the Lord and his kingdom and his coming. I look forward to unfolding that with you over the next two weeks.

    Identifying False Gospels

    We also need to not only understand the gospel, but we need to be able to identify false gospels.

    Paul said this to the Galatians: “I marvel that you are so quickly deserting him who called you by the grace of Christ for a different gospel.” Let’s stop right there and think about it.

    They’re not just walking away from something that’s true, but what does it say? They’re deserting him.

    “They’re not just walking away from something true — they’re deserting him.”

    The Gospel Is Christ Himself

    I think it was John Piper who wrote a book called God is the Gospel.

    As we unfolded several weeks ago the nature of the Bible, we recognize that the way we talk about and understand the Bible is the way we understand and talk about God because it’s from him. God and his word are not separate things. I see this here with the gospel. It’s not an abstract thing. It’s not just facts on a page.

    “The gospel is not an abstract thing. It’s not just facts on a page. It’s Christ himself.”

    It’s Christ himself. I marvel that you are so quickly deserting him who called you by the grace of Christ for a different gospel, which is really not another. Only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should proclaim to you a different gospel, a gospel contrary to the gospel we have proclaimed to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so I say now again, if any man is proclaiming to you a gospel contrary to what you received, let him be accursed. For am I now seeking the favor of men or of God, or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a slave of Christ.

    Some of you may know that while the scriptures say that one who believes a false gospel is accursed, there are those who promote false gospels who say that we are accursed. I think it’s in the Council of Trent, the Roman Catholic Church, that says if we believe in salvation by grace through faith alone, that word alone, then we are accursed.

    Not all Catholics know that or believe that. That’s the official teaching of the Roman Catholic Church.

    I’ve mentioned to you that I have a nephew who’s an Eastern Orthodox priest. I was reading through some of his recommended readings, and one said that if we don’t believe in the veneration of icons, which is essentially worship of pictures in that system, if we don’t believe in that, we are cursed.

    I don’t know if you knew that.

    I asked him about that. I love my nephew; he loves me. I asked him directly, “Do you believe that I’m accursed?” He backed off a little bit. I said, “Well, I’m looking at this, and this is what your beliefs are supposed to be, and you’re a priest.” It’s really interesting that even false teachers have no issue calling us accursed for not believing their doctrine. In love, we defend and proclaim the gospel because we want people to be saved and not cursed, don’t we?

    In this passage, we see people posing as Christians, proclaiming a different gospel. We really need to know it. Some of you may know there’s a former Christian singer and author named Alisa Childers. She wrote a book on so-called progressive Christianity called Another Gospel, and she points out how it’s deviating from the scriptures. Some of you may know the book Christianity and Liberalism by Jay Gresham Machen.

    Machen headed up Princeton Seminary just down the road, and as it started swaying, he started Westminster Seminary. It was in that process that he wrote that book. It was written in 1923. Last year, World Magazine put it up as Book of the Year because it is just so relevant. I finally read it and thought this could have been written yesterday because the battles over the gospel have always been the same from the beginning.

    Lesson Outline and Overview

    So here’s our outline. This is our topic review. We’re going to talk about some very foundational things this week and I think we’ll be a little bit more interactive next week and invite you to send some questions in. Pastor Dave has recommended some great questions to get us started, but I certainly invite your feedback on that. We’ll we’ll interact a bit more next week. So, what is the gospel? Right? Interesting to think about if somebody asks you, take someone who’s never he’s heard the he or she has heard the word but doesn’t know what it is. Asks you what is the gospel?

    We need to be prepared to answer that.

    What would you say? Right? Repentance and faith. That’s our title for this these two weeks. The gospel of repentance and faith. How do we receive the gospel? And then how do we live in the gospel? Right? Repentance and faith look one way for accepting, receiving, submitting to Christ, but they continue not for salvation, but for Christian living. We’ll get into that just a little bit. And then yeah, we’ll talk next week about assurance in the gospel. Can you lose your salvation? The short answer is no. We want to unpack that for you. And then how do we how do we contend for the faith in a way that reflects its character? Does that make sense? If the gospel is all about Christ, then we want to be Christlike in how we defend it.

    “If the gospel is all about Christ, then we want to be Christlike in how we defend it.”

    And I don’t know about you, I’m not I’ve not always been like that to my to my shame and have needed to to repent of that even as I talk to others about the gospel.

    We’re commanded to be Christlike. Amen.

    The Seed Is the Word of God

    Thank you, Mike. We are commanded to be Christlike. The parable is this.

    The seed is the word of God. If you look at Luke 11, you see the parable of the sower and the seed being sown on various types of soils, which represent the hearts of men and how they respond.

    A very fundamental thing that we forget about sometimes is that the seed is the word of God. We need to be very good at wielding the sword of the Spirit and sowing the seed of the word of God.

    “We need to be very good at wielding the sword of the Spirit and sowing the seed of the word of God.”

    We need to be skilled at knowing the word of God and what it says.

    Think we lost it there.

    There we go. Love this. In 1 Peter 1:23, “For you have been born again, not of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.”

    Our answer to the question, “What is the gospel?” must be from the scriptures, God’s perfect seed of eternal life. I don’t know if I shared this in Sunday school before, but I remember years ago at another church, there was a group of younger men. All these guys—Danny, you might remember this email exchange. One of the men shared a phrase or a description of the gospel from Tim Keller, which was not inaccurate. It was fine. I simply asked the question, “Is this the gospel?”

    The short answer is no because it has no scripture in it. You cannot share that with someone with any expectation that eternal life will come up because you haven’t sown the seed. I want to be careful about this. This is not something legalistic; this is just acknowledging the reality of what God’s word is. I think today’s lesson is about really understanding the reality of what salvation is. If we are grounded in knowing what the gospel is and knowing what salvation is, it answers some of our questions. For example, can you lose your salvation?

    You’ve been born again.

    The Power of God’s Word

    It’s here. It says here of incorruptible seed. Jesus said if you have him, you have eternal life. Eternal life, by definition, doesn’t end. When we are grounded and we understand these things, I think it really helps us and reassures us.

    Look with me, if you would, at Isaiah 55. I think this is helpful for us on a number of levels. Isaiah 55, starting in verse 6:

    “Seek Yahweh while he may be found. Call upon him while he is near. Let the wicked forsake his way and the unrighteous man his thoughts. Let him return to Yahweh, and he will have compassion on him and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways my ways, declares Yahweh. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. For as the rain and snow come down from heaven and do not return there without watering the earth, making it barren sprout, and giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so will my word be which goes forth from my mouth. It will not return to me empty without accomplishing what pleases me and without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.”

    There’s like three or four sermons in this passage.

    Do we see the gospel in the Old Testament? Boy, we certainly do. Do we see repentance and faith in the Old Testament? We sure do. Isn’t that amazing? Notice what it says about God’s word. I sum up this passage by saying we need to forsake our own thoughts, our own words, and our own ways for his. That’s repentance.

    If you notice the reality of God’s word, what does it do? It always accomplishes what God intends it to accomplish. It’s that powerful.

    “God’s word always accomplishes what God intends it to accomplish. It’s that powerful.”

    Do your words and my words have that kind of power? They do not.

    I think this is really worth keeping in mind as we skillfully share God’s word with others, with the expectation that God will use it as his means to bring about eternal life in his way and his time. Let’s be confident and excited about that.

    What Is the Gospel?

    What is the gospel? I think it’s helpful for us to have several passages in our toolkit that can explain to people quickly. Sometimes you’re able to have a long conversation with someone. Other times, it’s very short, and you want to make the most of it.

    I was at a wedding and reception last night, where I had a couple of really good gospel conversations, and I didn’t know how long they would last. I took out the good stuff from the toolkit and just put it out there and went from there.

    There were no obvious responses to the gospel, but you never know when God might awaken his word to their heart. That’s exciting to think about.

    Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel, which I proclaimed as good news to you, which also you received, and in which you stand, by which you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I proclaimed to you as good news, unless you believed for nothing. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.

    What was Paul doing here? He was passing on not his own ideas or thoughts. We just read in Isaiah 55 that we ought to forsake those. He proclaimed what he received from God. That’s exciting. That’s what we ought to do. The gospel is a message to be received, delivered, and defended.

    “The gospel is a message to be received, delivered, and defended.”

    In Jude, beloved, while I was making every effort to write to you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you, exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.

    I think we’ve seen from these other Scriptures that the gospel is under attack and needs to be defended.

    Not that it’s not strong or powerful in itself; we’re not saying that. But God has used his word and his people, us, as the means to contend for it and speak up when we might rather shrink back.

    This is what God would have us do.

    The gospel is a treasure and a stewardship from God. It must be transmitted to others faithfully. We are responsible for understanding it and transmitting it faithfully, but we are not responsible for people’s responses. That’s God’s work. I think Greg brought that out in great detail as we talked about election these past few weeks.

    These things go together.

    How great it is for us to trust God’s word and his work in the hearts of people.

    I had a terrible experience in college where there was pressure, and I don’t know that it came from a bad place, to lead people to Christ. The question was, “How many people have you led to Christ?” For me, it was nobody at that point. I was talking to a friend across our dorm hall, and I coerced it out of them. This was not me believing the doctrine of election; this was me trying to do God’s work in the power of the flesh. It was a terrible experience for both of us, and I think it really hurt our friendship. I vowed never to do that again. Perhaps you’ve had a similar experience.

    But how wonderful it is for us to walk with God, to be prompted by his Spirit, with his word, bringing it to people.

    The Gospel and the Kingdom of God

    What freedom we have in that. What confidence we have in that. As I mentioned earlier, the gospel literally means good news. It’s the proclamation of good news. It’s spoken in the New Testament of glad tidings of Christ and his salvation. It’s related to the kingdom of God, his reign, and his rule.

    Something I think we lose sometimes in American Christianity is that we don’t tend to talk about that, partially because we don’t understand kings. We don’t have absolute rulers. The scriptures say that he is the one and only sovereign. Most people lived in societies where they had a king who was referred to as a sovereign. That person’s will was just done, was obeyed. We tend not to understand that it’s the rule which God establishes in the hearts of men when Jesus Christ is received by faith. It also refers to the future state when we will reign with Christ.

    For Paul and the apostles, it refers to God’s eternal plan of salvation and the work of proclaiming it.

    As I mentioned before, if we think about the lordship controversy and understand the gospel, why would that even be a controversy? He is the Lord. He is the King. I love Christmas music, and one of my favorite albums, which I was just listening to on the way here, is Michael Card’s Christmas album. He has a song called “We Will Find Him.” The chorus ends with the wise men seeking Jesus, stating that we will find the King whose kingdom is the heart. That’s where he rules and reigns primarily.

    It’s pretty obvious, not to get into eschatology here, that at least from a societal or governmental perspective, he is not ruling in the world, at least not in an obvious way.

    “We will find the King whose kingdom is the heart.”

    But he is ruling in the hearts of his people and in his body. That’s just an amazing thing to think about. There’s a phrase, I forget which psalm says it, where he says, “Rule in the midst of your enemies.” That’s what God is doing through his church. He is ruling in us for a purpose on earth, and it’s a gospel purpose.

    It’s a disciple-making purpose. The kingdom of God is an invisible, eternal, and everlasting kingdom. I think that challenges our faith, doesn’t it? Sometimes it’s hard to remember that when we just look around us because it’s just not obvious. The ruler of the world is having his way in so many hearts, but not in the hearts of those who know him.

    What Is Salvation?

    Again, I challenge us to think about if someone asks you, “What is the gospel?” And then, what is salvation? I was amazed at how many times the word salvation shows up in the Old Testament.

    For your salvation, I hope, oh Yahweh.

    That’s the first time it shows up in Genesis 49. Psalm 96:2 says, “Sing to Yahweh. Bless his name. Proclaim good news of his salvation from day to day.” This is Old Testament. This is looking forward. Amazing. As we’ve seen from previous lessons, salvation has been God’s plan from eternity past, and it extends into eternity future. We get to be a part of that. Isn’t that amazing? I think we’ve seen it on full display as we’ve gone through Ephesians 1 and 2 in Iron Man.

    We saw it on full display as Greg taught us about election these last couple of weeks. I hope that those kinds of truths yield more worship than argument. Does that make sense? Because they do assault our bride. They are often argued about. But God’s intention for these is our enraptured worship. They should fill our hearts with joy.

    Salvation. I went to the Old Testament Hebrew word.

    What’s the word?

    Yeshua. Does that sound familiar?

    It’s our savior. It’s his name.

    Salvation. When the scriptures say the Lord is my salvation, that’s literal.

    “When the scriptures say the Lord is my salvation, that’s literal. He is our salvation.”

    The God who is our salvation. It says in Psalms that it’s a noun meaning salvation, deliverance, help, victory, and prosperity. It is primarily meant to rescue from distress or danger. It is being rescued from the punishment due for sin. We’re going to get into that specifically in a little bit. This word appears some 80 times in the Old Testament. It’s beautiful when you think about it. When you read things like the resurrected Jesus on the Emmaus road explaining all the things concerning himself in all the scriptures, you see it. We’re seeing parts of it. This is new but ancient at the same time.

    What Are We Saved From?

    Let’s talk about this somewhat unpopular topic. What are we saved from? Does anybody here struggle to talk with people about that? It’s hard.

    It’s hard. Let’s discuss it.

    2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 states, “Executing vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.”

    That should really put terror in our hearts, not just for us, but for others.

    “That should really put terror in our hearts, not just for us, but for others.”

    Paul said in Romans 9:10 that he had unceasing anguish in his heart for his kinsmen, his fellow Jews, because of this. We are not cold-hearted people.

    We do not proclaim this kind of thing casually. We do not do that. But notice also, we will get into this a little bit later. One of the things that the gospel is, is a command.

    This is for those who do not obey the gospel. Interesting. We see that phrase, “obey the gospel,” in a couple of different places.

    We fast forward to Revelation 2:18. “But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral persons and sorcerers and idolators and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

    There’s a lot I could have included here.

    Jesus talked a lot about hell in the gospels. Some people are what are called annihilists. I think that is the right term.

    The idea is that when you die, that’s it. Things just end. The scripture’s testimony is not that. It goes on. The fire burns forever and ever. This is what we’re saved from. This is what we’re saved from. Amazing. We do not want this for people.

    I have shared with some of you a conversation that I had with my daughter, our oldest, who is far from Christ at this point. I asked her, “What turned you away from the gospel?” She said, “I don’t understand.” It’s a common question. I’m sure we’ve all heard something like this: “How can a loving God send anyone to hell?” It is a great question, and there is an answer to it.

    The Lord brought to mind one answer from John 1. John 1:4 says of Christ that in him was life, and that life was the light of men.

    There are many scriptures that talk about Christ being the source of life, being the source of eternal life. I said, “Honey, if Christ is the source of eternal life, then to reject him can be nothing other than eternal death because of who Jesus is. He offers himself to you.” That’s a very loving thing to say, but it’s hard for us, and I understand that.

    I love this from John 5:24. This is one of those verses, in addition to 1 Corinthians 15. Put this verse in your toolkit. If you need to give maybe a one-verse explanation of the gospel, this is a good candidate. 1 Peter 3:18, which isn’t here, is also a great candidate. “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death and into life.”

    John 5:24: “He who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and does not come into judgment.”

    We are saved from eternal death. This is also an assurance of salvation verse because if this is true of us, we have passed out of death into life. That death is something you do not go back to. You are alive now because of the reality of what salvation is.

    I think Pastor Bobby has mentioned this several times as we’ve gone through Revelation: “For God has not appointed us for wrath but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.”

    This is God’s heart: salvation. He offers himself freely to all. If we reject the source of life, that is on us, that is on those who reject. It is important for us to be very clear: What are we saved from? We need to be prepared to answer that question.

    The Work of Evangelism

    Couple words about evangelist.

    Evangelism. Does anyone here consider that they have the gift of evangelism or that they are an evangelist?

    Danny, for sure. I know that of you, Mike. I know that of you for sure, Leela. No question. Abigail. Yeah.

    It just kind of comes out of you, doesn’t it? I’m jealous of you because I don’t have it in that way.

    It’s not that I’m not desirous of the salvation of others, but you guys think about it all the time. And I mean all the time. It’s annoying sometimes. But you’re there to help us. It’s annoying to you, too, right? Okay. I’ll try to be less annoyed when you prompt me because Mike and Danny both really push me on this, and I appreciate it. Paul said to Timothy, “But you be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, and fulfill your ministry.” So it’s important to remember that God has given evangelists to the church. Some of you are that, but he’s given the work of evangelism to all of us. If nothing else, to be praying for people. The Great Commission in Matthew 28 was not just for the apostles. It’s for all of us. We are to go and make disciples, and we all have a role in that.

    I will say a word about that with regard to quote “lordship of salvation.” It doesn’t say just lead people to Christ; make disciples. What are disciples? Disciples are followers of Christ or on that path.

    “God has given evangelists to the church, but he’s given the work of evangelism to all of us.”

    There was no such thing in the scriptures of someone who has come to Christ. How many of you have heard this? I don’t know if I mentioned this earlier. Maybe I don’t think I did. I’ve heard this so many times over the course of my life: “Well, he or she has accepted Christ as Savior but not as Lord.” Anyone hear that? I’m sorry. There’s no such thing because Jesus is the Lord.

    You don’t get to bifurcate that, right?

    And so, go and make disciples, right? Those who have come to Christ, grow them in their faith. There’s so much more I can say about that. Colossians 4:2-6 is a great thing to pray for those of us who are not evangelists. I think we need to pray this more. Pray for an open door for the word of God. And that really corresponds with what we’re talking about regarding the gospel. Not an open door for your testimony. That might be helpful, but you want to get the word in there because the word is the seed that brings about eternal life.

    Lord, give me an opportunity for your word. I love what it says: that we would have our speech be with grace, seasoned as it were with salt, so that we might know how to respond to every person. Isn’t that great? So, we’re thinking about that all the time. Lord, how can this conversation be a gospel opportunity?

    The Gospel: Invitation, Command, and Eternal Plan

    And when it says open doors, it’s open doors. It doesn’t say kick down closed doors. Just a thought. We need to discern what doors God is opening for the word and be bold in walking through those. I want to challenge us, and challenge myself, to be more intentional in praying and walking through the open doors that God gives for evangelism.

    In summary, what is the gospel? We’ve covered a couple of things. It’s an invitation to be accepted. That’s probably the most common way that people describe it, particularly in this country. Matthew 22:1-14 is the parable of the wedding feast where the invitation goes out to all. But we’ve also seen from 2 Thessalonians 1 that it’s a command to be obeyed. We lose that sometimes, don’t we? God has commanded all people everywhere to repent, as stated in Acts 17:30. The gospel is a command.

    I think we’ve established that it’s an eternal plan to trust. This is God’s plan; this is not our idea. This is God’s plan from eternity past and it extends into eternity future. I love those passages in Acts where the apostles and the early witnesses give a brief history of what God was doing through Israel and what he’s now doing through Christ. It’s amazing to read those things. Those are wonderful commentaries for us on what God was doing in the Old Testament. In Acts 17, Paul was speaking to essentially atheists and idol worshippers. God has so worked that people would seek him, although he is not far from each one of us, meaning he is right there.

    He’s accessible to all through the gospel. Those are helpful things to think about: the gospel is an invitation, it is a command, and it is an eternal plan.

    “The gospel is an invitation to be accepted, a command to be obeyed, and an eternal plan to trust.”

    Questions and Discussion on Sharing the Gospel

    Before we get into repentance in a formal way, any comments or questions about what we’ve covered so far?

    Glenda has a question.

    Yeah.

    I missed the opportunity. I said to her, “Yeah.”

    Glenda was explaining how she doesn’t consider herself an evangelist, but she wants to take advantage of every opportunity that’s presented to her. She’s missed some opportunities. It’s a good thing we believe in election because if others’ salvation is dependent on our faithfulness, that’s a bad deal for everyone, isn’t it? This doesn’t excuse our responsibility. We can’t fully reconcile our responsibility and God’s sovereignty.

    That’s God’s problem. We just trust that. I’ve heard people say things about repentance and faith.

    This is a really interesting conversation. I’ve had several conversations like this. You’ve heard the expression, “I’ve blown my testimony.” I’ve done that. I’ve sinned in a way. Well, what about repentance and faith?

    If you sinned in front of someone, don’t you have an opportunity to demonstrate repentance and faith? That’s kind of a gospel opportunity. I’m not suggesting it as a strategy, but in God’s sovereignty, we can do that. How many people, as they go through life, if they give offense, ask for forgiveness? How common is that? It’s not that common. Come on, folks. What a testimony that is if we do that.

    “If you sinned in front of someone, don’t you have an opportunity to demonstrate repentance and faith?”

    I’ve asked people for their forgiveness, and they don’t even know what to do with that. It’s like they’ve never heard anybody do that before. Praise the Lord.

    Discerning Open Doors for the Gospel

    That’s countercultural. That’s us bringing the light of Christ. Don’t underestimate, if I may say so, the power of your sin as a gospel opportunity. Again, not a strategy, but in God’s grace, it’s an opportunity, right, Mike? It is.

    Any other questions or comments? Ria, the timing is important for sharing the gospel. I think some of our evangelists might say it’s all the time. That’s okay. I’m going to… Yeah, Mike, your thoughts?

    Just a quick answer on that. I was actually laughed at and kind of mocked a little bit for this because it came out this way. I witnessed to a Muslim man in our restroom at our office building.

    Thank you, Jonathan.

    I recently witnessed to a Muslim man in the restroom of our office building, and I drew a little bit of a “what are you doing?” kind of reaction. But it wasn’t while we were going to the bathroom; we were washing our hands. He made a comment to me. I said hello to him, which you always do to open up a door. His comment was a wide-open door to start talking about Christ and salvation.

    Now, do I speak to everybody about the gospel in the bathroom? I do not. If I’m witnessing to somebody in Bagel Garden or in the Wawa or in the shop, it doesn’t mean I’m witnessing to everybody in that store, but for that particular opportunity, it presented itself.

    Now, that’s a great question because we have to discern what God is doing, right? He knows the hearts of all people, and we know that God prepares hearts to hear the gospel. A lot of us will give kind of a vague answer, then maybe a specific answer. We just need to walk in the Spirit and ask God to guide us. We’re going to talk about that a little bit later, that he rules our lives and prompts us at times. Sometimes it’s an obvious example. I had a friend ask me one time, “Mark, what’s it going to cost me to follow Christ?”

    I wish more people would ask that question. Is this an open door? Yeah, that’s a really obvious open door, right? The time where I forced it with my friend in the dormitory was not an open door. He was very explicit that he didn’t want to talk to me about this.

    At my 15th or 20th high school reunion, because yes, I’m older, I was there, and my high school classmates knew that I was a believer. Caleb Dagnel’s mom was there. She and I were in the same class, and there were some believers present. We were all kind of there, praying that we would have an opportunity.

    One of the guys in our class, it was a very big class, was someone I didn’t know had come to Christ since high school. He was a musician. He said, “I wrote a song that I’d love to share,” and it was great. In one of the sentences, he mentioned meeting Jesus, and he put it in the song in a really winsome way. To me, I think it opened up an opportunity.

    Then he ended the song, and instead of sitting down, he’s a brother in Christ, so I don’t want to disrespect him, but he droned on in a way that wasn’t helpful. I would say for 20 or 25 minutes, maybe more. The crowd was just groaning. This was him forcing something that I don’t think was an opportunity. At the end, he said, “I’ll be sitting over here, and if anyone wants to talk about this, I’ll be right over here.” Nobody went to talk with him except for me.

    We had an interesting conversation about the gospel and open doors. That was the conversation, so I just share that. Maybe that’s helpful. Jesus used phrases like “throwing your pearls before swine.” I don’t see a pattern in the gospels of chasing people who didn’t want to know. Of course, Jesus was bold, and the apostles were bold in proclaiming the gospel, but I don’t see them chasing people who didn’t want to know. I’m open to being corrected here, but I don’t see that. Is that helpful?

    “I don’t see a pattern in the gospels of chasing people who didn’t want to know.”

    What about a person who’s lost all mental capacity? I think we need a trained professional for that question.

    I just don’t know. Michael, Mike has the answer though.

    As long as they can hear, keep the love.

    The nursing home ministry, by the way.

    Amen. That’s a great one. You just don’t know. Friends I’ve known who’ve had kids who are mentally impaired, you just don’t know what they understand.

    Do we trust the power of God in those situations? Yeah, we do.

    Even Alzheimer’s patients or coma patients, we find out later that if they come out, they actually… I mean, if the spirit’s there, I don’t mean the Holy Spirit, but if there’s something there, we don’t know what God can do.

    And how good it is for us to bathe ourselves in the truths we’ve discussed so far and trust God’s power to do that. We don’t have the power to do anything there, but if we have an opportunity, we can trust God’s power to do that because he knows the hearts of all, and he always does the right thing.

    What Is Repentance?

    That’s such a wonderful and compassionate question. Thank you. All right, repentance.

    What is repentance? I think there are some misconceptions here. Pastor Dave’s sermon has addressed this a couple of times from 1 Corinthians 7, which really unfolds this. I commend them to you. But in short, repentance is a change of mind. A change of mind that has results, but formally speaking, it’s a changing of direction. From a gospel perspective, repentance is turning from self to God. We saw that in Isaiah 55.

    “Repentance is a change of mind — from a gospel perspective, turning from self and to God.”

    Let the wicked forsake his way and the unrighteous man his thoughts. Let him return to Yahweh, and he will have compassion on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. That is an excellent definition of repentance.

    The Fruit of Repentance

    Turning from self to God involves a clear denial of self that must happen in submission to Him. It occurs in the mind but then has outward results. John the Baptist would say, “Therefore, bear fruit in keeping with repentance.” The fruit of repentance isn’t the repentance itself. We have to be really clear on that. When I have conversations like we’re having today about the gospel of repentance and faith, people have accused me, and maybe they’ve accused you, of saying, “Well, you’re asking them for a work that earns their salvation.” We’re not.

    That’s why we have to be really clear about it. Repentance is a change of mind, really a change of heart in the formal sense that results in very obvious outcomes. I think it’s very obvious. We just read this. I’m convinced, and this might sound a bit harsh, but I think it’s true: if you have to wonder if someone has repented, my conviction is they haven’t. It becomes a very obvious thing. I’ll give an example. You see it as a pattern in the Scriptures. As people followed Jesus, what did they do? They immediately gave up something. It wasn’t like, “Maybe I’ll think about it.” That’s evidence of repentance.

    “If you have to wonder if someone has repented, my conviction is they haven’t. It becomes obvious.”

    Betty and I discipled a couple at a former church. They had started coming to church, and God was working on them. They were living together and engaged, and they came to Christ. They immediately thought, “Well, we’re fornicating. We can’t keep doing that.” Nobody told them that other than the word of God becoming alive in their hearts. We were there as spectators as all this was happening.

    We got to know them shortly after they came to Christ. They separated and moved into different apartments. Their families thought they were absolutely crazy. They talked to us and said, “Well, we’re engaged, but our wedding isn’t for another year.” He said, “Well, you can’t last another year just practically and be sexually pure.” So they got married legally and then had the ceremony later. It was an incredible testimony to their families, who thought they were insane. No question about this. But that kind of thing is very clear evidence of repentance: hunger for the word of God, signs of new life. We see these things, Denise.

    That was the power of the Holy Spirit. Betty and I didn’t do that. The church they were in didn’t do that. Amazing. I love this verse that I just read. One, there’s the expectation of abundant pardon and forgiveness when we repent.

    Repentance and Refreshing

    Let’s take the negative out of repentance. Repentance is seen as negative because it assaults self and pride, which it is designed to do.

    That’s a good thing. In the book of Acts, I can’t remember the reference; maybe someone here knows it. It says, “Repent and return that times of refreshing may come to you from the presence of the Lord.” In Proverbs 3, there’s a verse that says that as we repent, well, I’m just going to look it up because it’s not coming to me. It’s in Proverbs 3, and I think verses 7 and 8.

    Do not be wise in your own eyes. Fear Yahweh and turn away from evil.

    Right. That’s repentance. It will be healing to your body and refreshment to your bones. This is such a wonderful thing for us to always associate repentance and refreshing. Always associate repentance and life. That applies not only to coming to Christ but in our lives, right? I haven’t run out of things to repent of. Have you? No.

    “Always associate repentance and refreshing. Always associate repentance and life.”

    This is a pattern for our lives. A little bit more on repentance.

    I’m glad we have two weeks on this because we might not get through this.

    Jesus said, “If anyone wishes to come after me, let him deny himself. Take up his cross daily and follow me.” It’s a denial of self. A clear denial of self. That was very clear to me at the age of eight when I came to Christ; I was no longer to run my life. He was going to be on the throne of my heart, and he called the shots.

    That was really clear. I had to get down from the throne. My ability to run my own life was gone, and therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance.

    As we said earlier, repentance is not a work but an internal change of mind whose results are obvious.

    What Is Faith?

    Since this is on repentant faith, let me at least get through the definition of faith, and we may have to save some of these slides for next week. Let’s see how we do.

    Faith, to win over, to persuade, subjectively means firm persuasion, conviction, belief in the truth, veracity, reality, or faithfulness. Objectively, it means that which is believed, the doctrine, the article, the received articles of faith. And then the Lord helps us with his word.

    What’s the definition of faith? Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

    Hebrews 11:1: “Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.”

    It is certainty. We live in an age where certainty is under attack, even by Christians.

    I heard one Christian leader say, “Well, when you talk about faith and certainty, I get nervous. Those two things don’t go together.” In what way don’t they go together? Faith is certainty. I’m reading a book by Herman Bavink, an 18th and 19th century theologian, called The Certainty of Faith. It just unpacks what this is.

    So when we think about faith, the best way I can summarize it is that it is utter assurance.

    Faith Is More Than Mental Assent

    It’s not merely mental assent to something. I believe certain things, right? Jesus said that the demons believe, or I think James said this: the demons believe and shudder. You can ascend to the right things and not be saved. Do you rely on them? John 5:24, which we read, states, “He hears my word and believes in him who sent me.” The sense is, it’s not in every translation, but it’s the difference between believing and believing in. Some of you may have heard what is maybe a trite analogy, but I think it’s helpful. How do you know if you’ve believed in something?

    Well, it’s your level of trust in it, right? You might have heard the story of the guy going across Niagara Falls on a tightrope. There’s a whole crowd there. He comes back and says, “Hey, how many of you believe that I can do it again?” The crowd goes nuts. He takes out a wheelbarrow, puts it on the wire, and says, “Get in.” That will tell if you really believe that he can do it. That’s putting your money where your mouth is when we think about faith. That’s what that is.

    “It’s the difference between believing and believing in — active trust, not merely mental assent.”

    It’s an active trust. It’s not merely mental assent. I think a lot of times, maybe not in this crowd, but maybe in some believers, they will say that merely mental assent to the truth of the gospel is enough to be saved. That’s not what the scriptures teach.

    Repentance and Faith Are Gifts from God

    Two other things that I want to emphasize before we leave this morning are that repentant faith cannot be self-generated.

    It can’t. They are gifts from God. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not of yourselves. It is the gift of God. We talked about this in Iron Man. What is the gift of God?

    Well, that’s the whole thing that just precedes it. It’s grace being saved through faith. All of that is a gift from God. That is not something that we are capable of generating. Getting back to God’s sovereignty and salvation, Jesus said in John 3:3, unless you are born again, you cannot even see the kingdom of God. Right? So unless God does something in you, you can’t respond.

    In one sense, evangelism consists of telling blind people to look at things. That seems pretty futile unless you trust God to open the eyes of people, right? To make them alive.

    “Evangelism consists of telling blind people to look at things — unless you trust God to open their eyes.”

    This is one of several verses that talk about repentance being a gift. This one, God exalted to his right hand as a leader and a savior to grant repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

    Again, this is one of several verses that talk about repentance itself being a gift.

    We cannot generate these things by our sheer effort, but both are necessary for salvation.

    Both are. I would say we’ve got some time to unpack this next week. How do you distinguish repentance and faith?

    If someone says that they believe, how do you tell? Some of it is the fruit that comes after it. But repentance and faith are well described as two sides of the same coin. In Romans 10:9-10, if you confess Jesus as Lord, it’s kind of a repentance kind of thing, right? And believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

    Living by Repentance and Faith

    Both things really kind of go together for salvation. All right, I know I’m going kind of fast. This is quick. I think we refer to this as we’ve received, so walk right. We don’t get saved over and over again, but we live by faith and we live in repentance. That’s a continual cycle in our lives. As we’ve received by repentance and faith, so we walk. How have we received through repentance and faith? How do we walk by repentance and faith? I think that’s worth maybe more consideration than I can give right now. Maybe we can unpack that a little more next week.

    These two passages are helpful for us.

    Living the gospel is an example of living in repentance and faith. If anyone wishes to come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross daily, and follow me. I think we mentioned this earlier.

    Has anyone here run out of things that they need to deny in themselves? Things to repent of? Anyone?

    Yeah, it’s a continual walk of denying self.

    Jesus said in John 12:24, “Unless a grain of wheat falls to the ground, it remains by itself, but if it dies, it bears much fruit.” That refers specifically to his death, burial, and resurrection, but it also refers to how we are to live. In 2 Corinthians 4, it says that we are always carrying about in our bodies the dying of Jesus, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body. He’s referring to that walk of how we suffer well, how we deny self, and how we follow Christ’s example in that way as well.

    This is a great verse about this and about living in faith. Some of you may be familiar with this: I’ve been crucified with Christ.

    It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. The life which I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave himself up for me.

    Galatians 2:20: “I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me.”

    We live by faith in him. That’s why when it says in Romans 1 that it is from faith to faith, right? It is initiated by faith and is sustained by faith. This is how we live. It’s a wonderful journey for us. What? I might just make it. Thank you for bearing with me.

    I think if you haven’t lately, this is probably a good time to refresh yourself on Calvary’s statement of faith. Chapter 4.3 refers to regeneration, which is most on point to what we’re talking about today. The previous point was on election, which covered in large part what Greg taught the last couple of Sunday school weeks. For those of you who have recently been through membership, this might be fresher in your mind, but this is worth reviewing on your own. I will just put it out there and commend it to you.

    I will reiterate this: a solid understanding of salvation, what salvation is, answers a lot of our questions and equips us to clearly communicate it to others.

    Practical Applications and Preview of Next Week

    With just a couple of minutes left, let me suggest some implications and applications and wet your appetite for more interaction next week.

    As I asked earlier, if someone were to ask you today, what is the gospel? How would you answer?

    Colossians 4 and 1 Peter 3 tell us that we need to be ready. We need to be ready. What’s interesting in 1 Peter 3 is to sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready. You can’t get away from the lordship of salvation; it’s kind of built in. Isn’t that interesting? I would suggest being ready for a short answer with passages like John 5:24 or 1 Peter 3:18 if you just have a couple of moments. But be prepared for a longer answer. When my friend asked me, “What’s it going to cost me to follow Jesus?” that was a two-hour lunch conversation. And that has continued. But be ready for the short answer and the long answer.

    “Be ready for the short answer and the long answer.”

    If someone were to ask you today, “What is salvation?” how would you answer? What are we saved from? What are we saved to?

    Good question. We need to be prepared for it. We need to be able to talk about hell in a loving way, if I could just put it that way.

    How gracious of our God to warn us of that. What a challenge to us.

    What’s our heart for people? Do we have unceasing anguish in our heart for those around us like Paul did? My desire is for their salvation. He said, “Is that our desire?” There are people who can challenge us. If we’re honest, sometimes we desire the opposite. If we understand what God has done for us, there’s no room for such an attitude.

    Are repentance and faith works that we can perform? I think we’ve established no. But that’s worth really thinking about why that’s true. This is more of a question and answer with believers because I think there are a fair number of my fellow believers who are really confused about this. The wedding I attended yesterday was for my closest friend’s daughter, and he and I have really gone back and forth on this. He is an evangelist and is in full-time ministry, but we’re just not on the same page as to what these things mean. We have very interesting conversations about that, and maybe you have as well.

    For next week, I think we’re going to get into what truths are essential to communicate the gospel. A little preview is that as I’ve compared what the scriptures say the gospel is, how many of you have been through the Calvary Grace evangelism course that we did here? Anyone?

    A couple of you. It’s excellent, and we have those materials. Two things we notice in it that really stand out and distinguish it from many gospel presentations. First off, it starts with God. I know that sounds obvious, but the gospel presentations that I grew up with started with man: all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. You’re a sinner and you’re estranged from God. Can we just back up a minute and say, who is God? What are his standards? Let’s talk about that.

    Increasingly, in an age where we don’t have a common culture where people understand faith generally or Christianity specifically, we need to back up and talk about that. On the other end is the response. How many of you have heard things like, “Just pray this prayer and then welcome to the kingdom of God”? I’m wondering, “Where’s that?” We need to be really clear about that.

    I’ve mentioned this earlier: what is lordship salvation and is it biblical? There’s no other kind of salvation. We’re going to unpack that a little bit. Is the doctrine of hell unloving? We’ve just touched on that a little bit. Can you lose your salvation? We’ve also touched on that, and we have a number of other questions lined up.

    Please email me any questions that you have. My email address is there; it’s really easy: markalm.org. We’ll do our best to fit those in.

    The Point of Doctrine Is Worship

    But I’ll just end with this, and this is true of all doctrine: the point of doctrine is worship, is it not? The point of theology is worship because it’s about God.

    “The point of doctrine is worship because it’s about God.”

    And I love this. I had a friend I was on a summer project with in college, and my boss would always say, “How you doing, Gina?” “The Lord be magnified.” He’d always say that. This is where it comes from.

    Let me read this and pray. Let all who seek you rejoice and be glad in you. Let those who love your salvation say continually, Yahweh be magnified.

    Closing Prayer

    Father, may we grow in our deep understanding of your salvation and love your salvation because we love you and we’ve been recipients of your love.

    I pray with the Apostle Paul that we would know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that we would be filled up to all the fullness of God. We pray that for us who know you. We pray that for the many we know who don’t know you, whom we want to be family with in Christ.

    For some of us, even members of our own physical family are not in your family. We ask, Father, we plead with you for their salvation. Do what only you can do in their hearts.

    Work in our hearts, Father, to have your heart for the hearts of others. Both to desire their salvation and to trust you in bringing it about in your way, in your time, and in your loving sovereignty.

    Father, we love you. We rejoice in our salvation. You have rescued us from the pit. Father, you have forgiven our sins.

    How blessed is the one whose sins are forgiven, whose iniquities the Lord does not take into account, all the eternal damnation that you’ve saved us from, Father. Just amazing. May we bask in these truths. Work in us as only you can. We pray in Jesus’ name.

    Amen.

  • Lesson 9: Sovereign Election, Questions

    Lesson 9: Sovereign Election, Questions

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    Summary

    This lesson continues a series on the doctrine of sovereign election, addressing practical questions from the congregation. The central thesis is that God’s sovereign choice in salvation and human responsibility are both simultaneously true, and understanding this should humble us and lead us to worship.

    Key Lessons:

    1. Sovereign election is not itself the gospel — the gospel is “repent and believe” — but what you believe instead of election can lead to dangerous theological errors like open theism, works-based salvation, or universalism.
    2. Scripture teaches two kinds of calls: a general call extended to all people (which is resistible) and an effectual call to the elect (which results in salvation), and both are genuine.
    3. Every event in the universe has two causes — a primary human cause and a secondary divine cause — which explains how God’s sovereignty and human responsibility coexist without contradiction.
    4. God’s decree of election is active (He intervenes to save the chosen), while His decree of reprobation is passive (He endures and passes over those not chosen), meaning God does not actively predestine people to damnation.

    Application: We are called to respond to the doctrine of God’s sovereignty with humility and worship rather than pride or fatalism. We must continue to evangelize and pray as acts of obedience, trusting that God ordains both the ends and the means. We should teach our children the faith with hopeful expectation that God will save them.

    Discussion Questions:

    1. How does understanding the doctrine of secondary causes (God’s sovereignty and human responsibility both being true) change the way you view difficult circumstances in your life?
    2. If sovereign election should produce humility rather than pride, what are practical warning signs that theological knowledge is puffing you up instead?
    3. How should the distinction between the general call and the effectual call shape the way we share the gospel with friends, neighbors, and our own children?

    Scripture Focus: Romans 9:11-16 (God’s choice not based on works), Romans 9:22-23 (vessels of wrath and mercy), Acts 2:23 (dual causation in Christ’s crucifixion), Philippians 2:12-13 (work out salvation / God who works), Romans 10:14-15 (necessity of preaching), Romans 11:33-36 (doxology of God’s sovereignty), Ephesians 2:3-5 (children of wrath saved by mercy).

    Outline

    Introduction

    Good morning everyone. It is 9 o’clock by my watch and we may need every minute.

    I have another 14 pages of single space notes. Well, it’s good to see you and it’s good to be here again to discuss the doctrine of sovereign election once again as we get settled. I’m going to start us out with a word of prayer. Father, as we come before you to study this weighty topic and what you have for us and even just answer the questions that we have from a congregation, we pray that you would give us insight. We pray that your holy spirit would help us to understand.

    We would humble ourselves before your scriptures and that you would just show us wonderful and amazing things that we could be in awe of you and could worship you. Thank you Lord for choosing us before the foundation of the world to be vessels of mercy. I pray this in Christ’s name. Amen.

    Recap: Who Determines Who Is Saved?

    All right. Quick recap and we will get to some questions. What is the nature of the topic? The nature of the topic, what we’re trying to discuss is who ultimately determines who is saved.

    Now I should say at the outset that for this topic that we’re discussing today, most of the people on the other side also believe in the same gospel. We’re saved by faith through Jesus Christ. But what we don’t agree on is who ultimately determines who is saved. So there’s two choices.

    Either you are saved because of God’s choice or you are saved because of man’s choice, because of your choice.

    “Either you are saved because of God’s choice or you are saved because of man’s choice.”

    Last time we said that the scriptural answer is actually both of these things.

    God’s sovereign choice. You’re saved by God’s sovereign choice, but the choice was so that you would freely make the choice to believe. You are saved by God’s sovereign choice, but the result of that was that you were given the grace to freely choose to believe.

    “You are saved by God’s sovereign choice, but the result was that you were given the grace to freely choose to believe.”

    This debate is also a lot of times framed as a predestination versus free will debate.

    Just to give you a little bit of color here, what do you really believe when you say God’s choice is ultimate? Well, you’re saying God chose me before I chose him, right? You’re also saying that he gave me a new heart that wanted Christ. Your old heart was dead in his transgression and trespasses and sins, and you needed a new heart. That new heart was given to you and that heart wanted Christ. Then you made the decision to believe. And also you’re saying my faith is real but it is the result of grace. It’s not generated from myself.

    What about the other side? The other side of the debate is my choice is ultimate. A lot of times what they’ll say is God makes salvation possible for everyone. This is something a term that you’ll hear called prevenient grace, which means God just sort of makes salvation possible, but then he just kind of waits to see who will actually take that decision. He waits to see and that faith is yours and God sort of responds to it. That’s the two sides of the debate.

    Last time we had gone through about six or seven Bible verses. The problem with this topic isn’t that there is not enough Bible verses, but that there is just way too many. We’re not trying to hang any doctrine on one or two verses of scripture. We are literally going through all of these scriptures and seeing that they all teach the same thing. This is just the New Testament. There’s also a lot of scriptures in the Old Testament that if you were interested in you would be able to see.

    Just to give you a little bit of a refresher, in Ephesians 1 we saw that we begin this thinking about this topic by understanding that this whole topic begins with understanding God is the one who this is all about. This is all about God. This is not about man. This is all about God’s plan to exalt Christ. All of human history is about God’s plan to exalt Christ. That just happens to be good for us. But it’s not that we’re the center of the plan.

    The other thing that we saw in Ephesians 1 was that he chose us before the foundation of the world. That’s the actual language. He chose us before the foundation of the world. That’s actually not a time because time was created before the foundation of the world.

    That we would be holy and blameless before him. And then it says he loved us. In love he predestined us. There’s that word predestined to adoption as sons. And it says exactly the reason why we’re predestined.

    It was because of our future faith? No. Because of the kind intention of his will. It’s all because of just his will to the praise of the glory of his grace.

    And we saw in Romans 8 that there is what we call the golden chain, which is that those who God foreknew he also called to become conformed to the image of his son so that he might be the firstborn of many brethren. Those whom he called, he also predestined. He also called. These whom he predestined he also called. The same people who he called he also justified. These same people he also justified he also glorified. Those things are all connected from the call all the way from the beginning to the glorification. These are the same people. Very hard to get around that.

    We talked about Romans 9. We’re not going to go through that whole thing but I’ll just refresh your memory. In John 6, all that the father has given me will come to me, right? And then later on he says no one can come to me except if the father draws him. If both those things are true you have to conclude that the people who Jesus saves are the people who the father gave him and the people who Jesus saves are the people who the father draws and those are all the same people. These are sort of like the keystone texts that are very difficult to get around.

    But then if you go all the way back to Revelation, this is sort of to me one of the main end of the argument, which is that there is a book of life and that book of life was written before the foundation of the world and there are names in it. If your name is in the book of life written before the foundation of the world, you are part of the chosen.

    That was just by way of review. Today we are going to be answering some of the questions that you have given. I’m also going to try to leave some time for you to ask some questions if you have any that come to the top of your mind. We have like 10 questions I want to get through and that leaves maybe five minutes per question. For some of them I’ll open it up and see what you have to say about it. Please keep your comments reasonably brief and we will try to answer all of these questions if we can.

    All right.

    Question 1: Is Belief in Sovereign Election Necessary for Salvation?

    The first question is how important is belief in sovereign election.

    Is this a doctrine that a person needs to believe to be saved? And another person also asked, can Armenians be saved? Which is the same question. I’m going to answer this first myself and then maybe I’ll open it up later on, but I don’t want to spend too much time on this question. So can Armenians be saved and is this a salvation issue? Well, I just want to say that in some sense, I feel like we’re all Armenians before we come to Christ. My personal testimony is that in fact, before I tell you that, how many of us were saved as Armenians?

    Okay. A good number of us, maybe about half of us, right? I came to Christ in a church that was an Armenian church, a church that did not believe that God was predestining people to be saved. The gospel they were preaching was a sincere gospel.

    It was a real gospel. It was only a few years later that I discovered, to my surprise, and this is how I discovered it—I was starting to read John Piper in the bathroom. I had a book, “Desiring God” and “Future Grace,” and it was on the bathroom shelf and I picked it up because my roommate was reading it and started to read it and I was like, “Huh, never heard about this stuff before.”

    And that’s how I became reformed myself. But I only found out later that actually it wasn’t that I chose God, but that God chose me, right? So that was amazing and I think that is the truth for many other people as well.

    But it is important because it is about who gets the glory for salvation, right? So the reason that it’s important is like this: is your salvation basically because you generated enough faith and then you can actually kind of boast in that or not, right? However, we do not hold the doctrine of election to be the gospel in general because it is not the gospel.

    The gospel is not you are part of the chosen, right? That’s not the gospel. The gospel is repent and believe, right? So in general, we do not believe this is an immediate salvation issue. However, I will say this: what do you believe instead?

    “The gospel is not ‘you are part of the chosen.’ The gospel is repent and believe.”

    The Theological Spectrum and Slippery Slopes

    Because it’s not about what you don’t believe, right? That determines whether you’re saved. It’s about what you do believe.

    What are some of the other choices? This is the reason I wanted to get through this quickly because there’s a lot of other choices and I want to just show you really quickly what they are. Here are some slippery slopes that you can sort of fall down.

    If you don’t believe in sort of reformed theology, then you have to ask yourself: Is God sovereign in any real sense? If he sort of lets go of the reins of his sovereignty in the moment of your faith or your faith in Christ, I mean in what sense is he actually sovereign at all? And if you think about it, maybe other decisions as well, right? What other decisions is he letting go? And then at some point you start realizing maybe God doesn’t really control the world in any real sense.

    There is this weird logical inconsistency. Some say that God just has foreknowledge. God just sort of knows things. And it’s really hard not to fall down this slippery slope of saying God is not sovereign. He just sort of foreknows things. And then you don’t really know: Is God just playing sort of defense, right? Is that really the nature of God’s sovereignty?

    The other thing is: Are you saved because of God’s grace or your own choice? So you might fall into, in a sense, work-based salvation. You might start saying that it is because of me. The real difference between me and you is that I generated enough faith and I humbled myself enough to believe, right? So there’s a slippery slope you can fall down.

    The first one is like open theism. The second one is like, well, maybe your work-based salvation. And the third slippery slope is: In the end, is God’s saving faith extended to everyone or only a selected group? Now the problem is if you answer that question wrong, you start sliding into universalism. And universalism is actually, I think, the logical conclusion of Arminianism, which maybe I’ll talk about a little bit later if we have time. But I want to show you what the slope looks like.

    “If God lets go of sovereignty in the moment of your faith, in what sense is he actually sovereign at all?”

    Right? So this is what the slope looks like. This is like sort of my mental model.

    From Hypercalvinism to Open Theism

    I didn’t get it from anywhere. There’s something called hyperCalvinism, which is basically a fatalistic nihilism that says, “Okay, it’s too small for you to see, but basically God is sovereign, so why bother with anything? Why bother with prayer?

    Why bother with evangelism? Why bother with obedience because God is sovereign and we’re just going to let him be sovereign and we’re just going to not do any of these things?” Well, that is an unbiblical view.

    We’re supposed to work out our salvation in fear and trembling. For it is God who works, right? So those are two different things that are simultaneously true at the same time. And if you are a hyperCalvinist, you don’t believe that, and you’re not being obedient to that.

    Calvinism is what we believe. Election and God’s sovereignty, Calvinism, reformed theology, doctrines of grace—all these things are the same term. When you say election and God’s sovereignty, we believe both of those two things together.

    Arminianism, you start talking about God didn’t elect, but there is something called prevenient grace that sort of allows you to respond. So the interesting thing here is Isaiah says, “By his wounds you were healed.” Arminianism kind of says, “By his wounds you were made healable.”

    You were kind of made it so you got out of this total depravity and you’re kind of like now you can peek through and say, “Okay, I can actually make this decision.” Another way of saying it is that we save ourselves with Christ’s help, almost in a sense.

    So the biggest difference is the faith of the believer between two people. There’s a lot of big differences. There’s a lot of big problems with Arminianism. One of them is that you allow this possibility of things in the universe happening outside of God’s sovereign decree. We already talked about this before. Ephesians 1:11 says, “God works all things after the counsel of his will.” And Isaiah 46:10 really says this: “God is declaring the end from the beginning, from ancient times, things which have not been done.” So he’s decided all the things that are going to happen.

    Ephesians 1:11: “God works all things after the council of his will.”

    Saying my purpose will be established and I will accomplish all my good pleasure. So Arminianism kind of runs straight into this. I have another problem with Arminianism, and this is why I said before it kind of slides into universalism: Arminianism doesn’t really have a good answer for the question of what to do with people who have never heard the gospel.

    So reformed theology, Calvinism, our answer was what we talked about last week: there are vessels of mercy and then there are vessels of wrath. The vessels of mercy are made all the more—God’s glory is shown all the more in God’s vessels of mercy because we see what we really deserve in the vessels of wrath. But the Arminian answer to this goes something like this: God is looking down the corridors of time, and he sees who will be saved and who won’t.

    Now the grace is extended to everybody in the world. So the people who don’t hear the gospel, they would not have responded anyways. That’s basically a version of the answer. There are variations on this answer, but that’s not a very satisfying answer.

    And eventually you start sliding into maybe God actually will just judge them based on their reaction to what they’ve heard. That’s another version of Arminianism.

    So they might not have heard the gospel, but they have some revelation and God judges them based on that revelation. So then you start—that’s basically very close to universalism.

    We’re spending too much time on semiPelagianism. You kind of have to know about some of these terms. Semiplagianism is probably the default view of all churches in America. That is, man takes the first step. You don’t really believe that man is totally depraved in any real sense, and man can take the first step towards God, and then God’s grace comes in synergistically to cooperate with your decision.

    So it’s said like this: the work of humanity is to repent and believe, and the work of God is to forgive and redeem. Both of those things work together. So you’re not really depraved. You’re able to respond.

    Pelagianism is basically full-blown—man can follow God fully on his own. And by the way, you’re also judged on how you follow God.

    Open theism is basically God doesn’t even know the future and he just simply is playing defense based on your decisions. So the original question was: can you be an Arminian and be saved, or do you have to be reformed?

    Well, if you look at all these choices, these are the other choices. So which of these do you feel like are outright heresies? What do you think?

    Pelagianism and open theism are outright heresy. I would say the first one—I would argue whether or not you’re showing any fruit at all. Semiplagianism, interestingly enough, in the 300s was also declared a heresy in one of the councils. So your choices are not that vast. While we believe that you don’t have to really be reformed to be saved, you just have to understand that the spectrum of things you can believe is kind of narrow based on what you have to believe.

    Question 2: The Effectual Call vs. the General Call

    Question two. I’ll open up in a second. Last time, this is a good question. Whoever asked this one last time used the disciples as an example of an effectual call, but is this really true since we do not see this from many other examples?

    They brought up the Samaritan woman, Nicodemus, rich young ruler. Okay, so this is a good question. Basically at the first outset, I should say that I wasn’t really saying that everybody was saved in that particular way.

    I was just using the disciples as an example of a call that seems effectual and immediate, right? But not everyone is saved obviously in the same way the disciples are saved. The disciples were an extreme example.

    I think we need to understand a little bit more of theology. There are two calls in scripture. There is what we call the general call, which is a call to everyone to repent and believe. An example of this is Matthew 22:14, where Jesus says, “For many are called but few are chosen.”

    Many are called—general call—but few are chosen. The word call is being used in a general sense. Acts 17:30, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, right? It’s not just the chosen should repent, right?

    That’s not what it says. It says all people everywhere should repent. So that is a general call. “Come all who are weary and heavy laden,” right? What this means is that there is a general call that comes to all of creation.

    But that is resistible. That general call can be resisted. And when you resist it, the gospel is the aroma of death to those who are dying.

    However, there is something also called an effectual call. This is what we’re talking about when we’re talking about the effectual call in Romans 8:30. Those who are called are justified, right? Those who are justified are glorified.

    So that golden chain—the people who were called there are the same people who were glorified at the end. John 6:37, “All that the father will give me gives me will come to me,” right? So that is basically another example.

    “No one can come to me except the father draws him.” And then another scripture that we didn’t look at last time that’s really good for this is 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14, which says, “God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the spirit in faith and truth.” So here he says God has chosen you, okay, from the beginning.

    “There is a general call that can be resisted, and an effectual call where those who are called are justified and glorified.”

    What did he choose you for? For salvation through sanctification. So both salvation and sanctification are included in that choosing. And then verse 14 says, “It was for this he called you through the gospel.” Okay. So the same people he called are the same people who he chose from the beginning.

    So there’s an effectual call and a general call. You have to understand that to understand some of these verses—some of them are effectual, some of them are general.

    Question 3: Can People Respond If Everything Is Predetermined?

    Okay. Question three.

    This was a follow-on question and I thought it was a really good question.

    When this one is talking about Joshua 24:15, Joshua invites the people to serve God. This is talking about the Israelites. A response is expected, but how can people respond if everything is predetermined? I really mangled this question. Would it be an open invitation? Is it a genuine invitation or not? Can people really repent and believe if they’re not elected?

    All right. I’ll open it up for a minute or so. What do you guys think? What would you say?

    “Is it a genuine invitation? Can people really repent and believe if they’re not elected?”

    Well, it goes back to Matthew. Many are called, few are chosen. The meaning of that is Matthew 20:45 when it talks about many are called but few are chosen. The literal meaning there is all are invited but few are selected. I think there’s a lot to unfold here, but it is a genuine invitation. It is a real invitation. But the reality behind chosen is those who will respond to the invitation. I will say this: I think we shouldn’t feel the need to be on the hook to explain all this. This is in the mind of God. We can just affirm it, but we don’t have to fully explain it.

    And this is where you and I talked about this earlier—Wesley and Whitfield.

    Wesley felt the need to explain it, right?

    And Whitfield didn’t.

    Yeah, you’re spoiling my next question.

    That’s okay.

    Joshua 24 — A Genuine but Impossible Offer

    Okay. This is a really interesting verse because Joshua 24:15. What’s happening here is that if you actually turn there—you don’t have to, but if you actually turn there—you would see what the context of this is. The people Joshua is telling the people: look, you have to sort of repent and you have to forsake all of these other gods. So the choice is this.

    Choose for yourself today whom you will serve. Whether the gods which your father served which are beyond the river. As for my house we will serve the Lord. Okay. So we have this plaque on our door that says “As for me in my house we will serve the Lord.” Very famous verse.

    But verse 19 and following, Joshua actually seems extremely skeptical that they could do this. And in fact, in verse 19, this is what he says: “You will not be able to serve the Lord.”

    That’s not on our plaque.

    We should probably put that on our plaque. “You actually will not be able to serve the Lord, for he is a holy God. He is a jealous God and he will not forgive your transgressions or your sins.” Later on, even afterwards, he seems pretty skeptical.

    And in fact, the whole air and flavor of that verse is: okay, we’re going to make a covenant that’s going to be a witness against you when you fail this covenant. So it almost seems kind of like rigged from the beginning, right? Even that call seems like it was a genuine offer.

    And I think in the end of the day you have to say it was a genuine offer, just as Mark said. However, they could not respond to it in the right way.

    Now, why could the Israelites not respond to it? All throughout their history, they could not respond to it. And you have to say that the answer is because the ability to respond to the invitation comes from grace. And at that point, God had not given them the grace to respond.

    “The invitation is real, but the ability to respond to it comes from grace.”

    Two Simultaneous Realities: Sovereignty and Responsibility

    And this is exactly the same as how salvation works. The invitation is real, but the ability to respond for it comes from grace. One thing you have to understand is two realities are true at the same time. God is both sovereign and man is responsible for his actions.

    This tension is sort of behind this question. I’m not saying the person who asked had this spirit, but I’m just saying this is sort of the reason why we are confused by these things. We have to simultaneously believe that God is sovereign and that man is responsible. A lot of times we’ll say if God’s sovereign, then why is man responsible? Why are we responsible to respond to a call?

    I want to clarify this misunderstanding a little bit as best as I can. The invitation for salvation is genuine, but the ability and willingness to respond is grace. Here’s my mental model. At the level of reality, that’s how things really work. That is God sort of peeling back the curtain of the universe and showing you the insides, like kind of like the engine of the car. This is how the universe actually works. Why does he want us to know this? Well, he wants us to give him the glory and also because we need to understand that God is completely sovereign.

    Number two, we also know that man is responsible for his actions and this is how we experience this earthly existence, right? We experience cause and effect. If I do X, then Y will happen in response. Both of these things are true simultaneously.

    “God is both sovereign and man is responsible for his actions. Both realities are true at the same time.”

    One way to say this is we interpret the world through God’s absolute sovereignty. That is, we sort of interpret the world around us. We say God is sovereign over all these things. Like you woke up and you chose a red shirt as opposed to a blue shirt. Well, God was sovereign over that. But we live responsibly through the means God has ordained. So whatever God tells us to do, we live through those means.

    This is really something that I had to think about for a long time to get to. I think this is really the crux of the issue, right? This is how we think about God’s sovereignty. A lot of times we come to this idea of God’s sovereignty and we’re really bothered by it. And this is how I think about it.

    Two Unbiblical Responses to God’s Sovereignty

    There are also two common unbiblical ways to respond to God’s sovereignty. I just want to put that before you real fast before we move on to the next question. These are really common, and these are the two pitfalls that we see very frequently.

    Accusing God of Injustice (Romans 9:19)

    So, one is to accuse God of injustice, right? We saw exactly this accusation in Romans 9:19. This is where the person says, “Well, if God is sovereign, if you love Jacob and you hated Esau, why does God still find fault, right? What’s the point? Why would he even say?” And remember, if you were here from last time, God—Paul actually gave two answers to this question. So, like why does God still find faults?

    “One common unbiblical response is to accuse God of injustice.”

    Very good question. Two answers, right?

    The first answer was what? Yeah. What? You have no right to ask that question actually. And the fact that you would even ask that question means that you are looking at this whole thing from a man-centered perspective and not a God-centered perspective. That’s actually what Paul is saying.

    He’s saying you’re looking at the salvation completely wrong. It’s not about you. It’s about the potter. You’re the pot. Okay? Pots don’t ask questions. It’s the potter, right? The potter who has the right to make pots depending on what he wants.

    But the second answer was sort of maybe the more real answer, which is that God is doing all this for the glory of his own name. He’s making vessels of wrath and he’s making vessels of mercy, and the vessels of wrath show all the more the mercy that he puts on the vessels of mercy. So that’s the answer to this accusation. You start accusing God of injustice. Go read Romans 9:19 again.

    “God is doing all this for the glory of his own name. Vessels of wrath show all the more the mercy upon vessels of mercy.”

    All right. But that’s an amazing answer.

    The other pitfall is what we called before. Is it up or down? Up. Right.

    Fatalism and Hypercalvinism

    Down. Okay. There we go. All right. It’s basically what we call fatalism, and we talked about this already: hypercalvinism.

    The best answer I can give to hypercalvinism is that Romans 10 comes after Romans 9. Paul is not a hyperalvinist. How do I know? Because he tells you about God’s sovereignty in Romans 9. He defends it very rigorously.

    And then in Romans 10, he says this: “How will they call on him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? And how will they preach unless they are sent?” So he’s telling you to evangelize like fourteen verses after he tells you that God is sovereign. So how do we reconcile those two things? Well, I think we go back to Philippians 2. The command of God is to work out your salvation in fear and trembling. So that’s work. That’s you doing the work.

    “Romans 10 comes after Romans 9. Paul tells you to evangelize fourteen verses after telling you God is sovereign.”

    For it is God who works in you for his good pleasure. Okay? God works in you for his good pleasure. Those two things are happening at the same time. And God’s sovereignty in no way is absolving us of responsibility. All right. I’m going to give you a shot at the next question.

    Ready?

    The Biblical Response: Awe and Assurance

    Okay. Here, God’s sovereignty fills us with awe and assurance. That’s okay.

    Those are the two unbiblical ones. I think the biblical reaction to God’s sovereignty is that it fills us with awe and also assurance that neither height nor depth or life or death can separate us from the love of God. All right.

    “The biblical reaction to God’s sovereignty is awe and assurance that nothing can separate us from the love of God.”

    Question 4: Squaring Sovereignty with Human Responsibility

    Somebody asked me to square God’s sovereignty with human responsibility.

    Is there a safe way to fit these doctrines together? Anybody have a short answer to this question?

    Arthur connects back to your previous man responsible for his. I wanted to answer that question. This gives me an opportunity to do it and I’ll make it short.

    Thanks.

    When we talk about sovereignty, this is how I feel. We have to understand that there are certain words that define what sovereignty is.

    I would add that man is responsible. Man is held responsible for his actions. That defines sovereignty for God. God chooses whom will be his children or who will not be his children. I think the problem is, and I mentioned this with you, is the use of the word free will.

    God allows man to choose between two options.

    So if you use those types of phrases, you’re always identifying God’s sovereignty. When you take God out of the picture and you use a word like free will, it gives the impression that man can actually create his own universe apart from God.

    There are things man can do apart from God. There’s nothing we can do apart from God, even in our choices.

    “There’s nothing we can do apart from God, even in our choices.”

    That’s a great answer actually. Really the end of Colossians 1 says, talking about Christ, he sustained all things and all things in him, all things hold together. So actually nothing happens in the universe without God’s immediate control. Dwayne, and then I’ll tell you what I have.

    You said short. Yeah, how do we square them? The Bible clearly teaches both of them and you have to. You can’t argue with that.

    God teaches both of them.

    This is what Mark said.

    Thanks Mark. Sorry.

    My answer was not really.

    The Doctrine of Secondary Causes

    Okay, but I’ll give my best shot. And this is not something I came up with, but there is something called the doctrine of secondary causes. And if you think long enough about this, I feel like you get a better understanding of how this works.

    So, what is the doctrine of secondary causes? The doctrine of secondary causes basically says that there are—okay, let me back up. The assumption that we make as humans is that there is one cause for every event that occurs, right? So one thing happens: either I caused it or God caused it, but it can’t be both. Actually, the biblical answer turns out that every action has two causes. Okay, so that’s actually the biblical answer, and once you start looking for it, it’s everywhere. So one is in Genesis 50:20, very, very, very famous.

    Joseph says after his brothers sold him or threw him in the pit, became a slave, went to Egypt, all of this stuff happened, right? And then years later the brothers came and apologized, and he said, “Well, what you meant for evil, God meant for good.” There are two parties in that; they are both meaning things, right? So the action has a first, a primary cause, which is the brothers. The brothers had a primary cause of throwing him in the pit. That is the primary cause. The secondary cause we would say is God and his sovereignty. Both those things are true, but the motives are different.

    “Every action has two causes. What you meant for evil, God meant for good.”

    Okay? So that’s not the only time you see it, right? Acts 2:23: “This man delivered over by the predetermined, listen to this, plan and foreknowledge of God.” It’s very hard to get away from this stuff. “You nailed to a cross by the hand of godless men and put him to death.” How many parties are there?

    Well, there are obviously the Jews and the Romans who nailed him to the cross. Now, what was their motive? Their motive was murder, right? They wanted to kill Jesus. But this man was delivered over by the predetermined plan. Okay? So God’s plan was also to nail Jesus to the cross. There was one action, two causes. And this is true not only for these particular instances, but actually the Bible says this is true for everything that happens in the world, in the universe. Proverbs 16:9 says, “The mind of man plans his way.” But the Lord what?

    Proverbs 16:9: “The mind of man plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps.”

    Directs his steps. Okay. How many parties are there? Well, the man who plans his way and the Lord who’s directing his steps—both of those things are simultaneously true in every event in the universe. And this doctrine of secondary causes is the reason why we can kind of squint at this a little bit and maybe get a little bit more understanding, right? That’s my best answer for this question.

    Yes?

    When you use the word responsibility, what do you mean? And the reason I ask is not to go down a rabbit hole, but I’ve heard a lot of people say responsibility implies ability. And so I tend to shy away from it because people associate those things, and I think from what you’re saying, human ability is negated here.

    Yeah. I think these words are difficult to define down in a very precise term, but clearly God is holding sinful humanity responsible for their sin. Accountable for their sin, yeah. Are they, in a sovereign sense, in the big picture sense? Are they actually able to respond in the way that God requires them to? And I think we have to say the answer is no, right? But this is sort of going back to: is there injustice with God?

    Well, there’s a potter and there’s a pot, and you’re the pot.

    Question 5: Did God Choose Jacob Based on Foreseen Faith?

    Next question in Romans 9:13: “Jacob, I loved Esau. I hated.” Can we say that God hated Esau because God knew he would sell his birthright as a firstborn? This whole question basically is: did God just look down the corridors of time and look at Jacob’s future response, that he would respect God’s birthright, and Esau’s future response, that he would not?

    This idea is the classical Arminian view and it’s also expressed as “foreseen faith.” If you’ve ever heard this term, “prescient” or “simple foreknowledge”—these are all terms that theologians use to describe this view. What do you guys think?

    Did God look down the corridors of time in Romans 9:13? Anybody have an answer? No. Okay, good. Do you have a justification?

    Okay, it’s 9:43. I think we have to go. All right. Fine. All right.

    I think it just doesn’t fit the context. If you look a little bit more, stare a little bit more at the passage, you see 9:11: “The twins were not yet born and had not yet done anything good or bad.” So you might say, well, maybe they had not yet done anything good or bad. Maybe that’s what God is looking at, so that God’s purpose according to his choice would stand. It’s actually according to his choice.

    And here’s the nail in the coffin: “Not because of works but because of him who calls.” So it’s not because of works at all. If it’s not because of works, it’s also not because of future works.

    “It’s not because of works but because of him who calls. If not because of works, it’s also not because of future works.”

    9:16 says, “So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs. It’s not that I desired the birthright or not, right? But on God who has mercy.” Yep.

    Really quick, I just want to say that if you think that question is constructed, then you are suggesting that time controls God’s decisions. God’s decisions, how he acts in the world, is not controlled by time because he created time. He’s the author of time.

    Amen. Yep. Amen. All right. Moving on. Got 15 minutes for five more questions. All right.

    Question 6: Does Divine Election Kill Evangelism?

    Won’t divine election kill our drive to evangelize or pray for the lost since God promises he’s going to save them no matter what?

    Okay. How would you answer?

    No.

    Okay.

    Yeah. Exactly right. I’ll tell you, this is actually probably why the whole idea of Calvinism gets a bad rap. It’s like a really bad reputation because people have this perception that this is how we feel.

    I don’t know if Eric remembers this, but a few weeks ago this woman came up to the stairs of the church and I think she was lost. I walked up to the stairs—I was trying to go get somewhere. I had some things I was taking somewhere and she catches me and she’s like, “Oh, this person looks like they know what they’re doing.”

    And I tried to help her, but she said, what was that comment she said? She’s like, “Oh, you’re a Calvinist. Be nice.” So somehow she figured out our church was reformed or something and that was like, “You’re probably not nice, right?”

    Anyways, we have a bad reputation. Not we, but this is a really big sort of thought outside of reformed circles. And if you ever go on social media or something, people will be attacking Calvinism because of this.

    Okay, so what would I say about this? Up or down?

    Down. Yeah, it’s okay. I’m really bad at this. Okay, here we go. First of all, we have to understand that these things are a matter of obedience, right? So we don’t evangelize because we think we’re saving anybody. That’s the biggest thing. Like Arminians may evangelize because they think if they don’t share the gospel with these people, in an ultimate sense they might be responsible. But we share the gospel because it’s a matter of obedience.

    We work out our salvation in fear and trembling and it’s God who works. The other thing is we have to understand that God ordains not only what will happen but also the means of how that will happen. So evangelism and prayer—you pray for somebody and they become saved.

    Well, what was the primary cause and the secondary cause of that event, right? The primary cause was God. I mean, you understand what I’m saying. I’m not saying it’s because of your prayer, but the prayer is in the universe that we inhabit an effectual thing.

    And evangelism is the same thing. If you didn’t share the gospel with that person from your perspective, from our human perspective, they would not have heard the gospel.

    “We don’t evangelize because we think we’re saving anybody. We share the gospel as a matter of obedience.”

    However, it is God who works in that.

    Warnings Against Disobedience

    And he was sovereign over that whole thing anyways, right? He was sovereign over that whole thing. I want to just give you two quick warnings. If you are tempted to think in this way, which I think sometimes we all are to be honest, I ran across Esther 4:14. If all places, Esther Mordecai says this. He says, “If you remain silent at this time, relief and deliverance will arise for the Jews from another place.” Okay, so this is how we think about this in Calvinist terms. It’s like, well, if we don’t do it, God will figure out how to do it anyways, right?

    So relief and deliverance will arise for the Jews from another place. Mordecai says God’s still going to be sovereign. He’ll figure out a way, but you and your father’s house will perish. So you could disobey at your own peril, right? Ezekiel 3:18. This is also really chilling.

    He says, “When I say to the wicked, you will surely die, and you do not warn him or speak out to warn the wicked from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand.”

    Esther 4:14: “Relief and deliverance will arise for the Jews from another place, but you and your father’s house will perish.”

    Question 7: How Do We Evangelize Truthfully?

    There’s some context to this, but in general, we have to remember that God does require us to obey. Jonah is another example who thought I’m just not going to obey and that turned out to be very painful for him.

    Okay, question seven. How do we do evangelism in a truthful way?

    We can’t say Jesus loves you. Maybe he doesn’t. We can’t say Jesus is calling because we are not sure he is. Mainly we can’t say Jesus died on the cross to pay for your sins if we don’t know if he is the one whom we are speaking to, don’t know if the one whom we are speaking to is one of the elect.

    This is a really great question. For me, I would say when people say God has a wonderful plan for your life or God loves you and has a wonderful life for your life, I don’t know if it’s that wonderful of a plan. But what would you say?

    You don’t have to hyperpersonalize it if you don’t have to, but yeah. Tell them about the nature of God and his plan. Good answer.

    Compare Jesus and the apostles. They don’t use phrases like this. Jesus loves you, wonderful things like that. We’ll get into this more in the next few lessons. It’s really starkly different than how a lot of people express it. Very good. We won’t spoil that because that’s next week, right?

    We had to move on. I’ll get you next time. We got ten minutes and three more questions.

    Okay. You guys all gave better answers than I had, but basically it’s actually not wrong, I don’t think, to say Jesus is calling. There is a general call. Jesus loves you. Jesus kind of does love everyone in a general sense and is good to all, the righteous as well as the unrighteous, and he desires that no one should perish. I think the last one I would tweak a little bit. Jesus died on the cross to pay for your sins. Maybe I would tweak that a little bit to say Jesus died on the cross for sinners, for all who believe.

    “There is a general call. Jesus is good to all, the righteous as well as the unrighteous.”

    Evangelizing Our Children

    Okay. Next one is a really great question. The best, probably the best question I’ve gotten about this topic. How can we evangelize our children in light of the above? Can we tell them Jesus died on the cross to pay for your sins? And you can extrapolate this to say, can we teach them songs like “Jesus Loves Me” or “I Can Run to Jesus, Jesus Died for Me”? What do you guys think?

    Not many answers on this one, huh? All right.

    So this is where trusting God’s—so that the woman’s friend said it’s no longer believe Jesus’ words to our—yeah.

    Yeah. Okay. Arthur, and then I’ll—again, this question ties into the last one.

    I think this is one of the areas that people really misunderstand when Jesus says, “Judge not, judge not lest you be judged.” We all know what sin is, especially when we’re saved. We understand what sin is. We know how damaging it is. But to go beyond that and make the mental decision of going to call this person or call this person—that’s a form of judgment.

    Yeah.

    Because God, he already knows who he’s going to call. So he doesn’t give us that right to determine who is going to be called. I tie that into judgment.

    If you’re looking at even your own children, look at, “No way God’s gonna save this kid.” He doesn’t know. We wouldn’t think that way as a parent.

    Interesting. Yeah.

    Yeah.

    Interesting. Huh.

    Yeah. I think the spirit of the question is more like, we don’t know necessarily. Are we lying to them when we say God will save you? You had something?

    It’s always—oh, yeah, these are great answers. Here’s what I said. Oh, sorry. Okay.

    So I do think that kids are in—at least kids of believing parents or kids in the church—are a little bit of a different category than adults in how we deal with them. And we often teach them songs to sing and believe what we want. We teach them to believe what we want them to believe.

    They don’t really have a belief system built in at birth, and we kind of want to install one, right? It’s not like, let’s install the right one. And also, we must make it clear that when they get a little older, they can understand this is actually really only true if you believe, and we have to make that clear.

    But the reality is in the church, we often catechize children that have a limited understanding with simple faith, and we do this sort of ahead of their hearts. We tell them to think, we teach them to think as believers, and we do this with the hopeful expectation that God will save them. And in fact, this is a larger question we don’t have time to get into really, but I do believe that children of believers are in a better place and more likely in a cosmic sense.

    “We teach children to think as believers with the hopeful expectation that God will save them.”

    You don’t understand. I’m not saying likely, but that they’re extended more grace, I guess, than children of unbelievers or even unbelievers in general. And 1 Corinthians 7:14 it says, “Otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy,” talking about if you have an unbelieving spouse staying with a believing spouse.

    And the implication of that verse is actually that the children, even if you have just one parent who’s believing, there’s some sense in which the children are set apart in a sense that other non-believing children are not. And I guess in a human sense, are more likely to believe. Okay.

    Should Sovereign Election Be a Secret?

    Okay. Two more questions. Two more minutes. We’re going to do it. Should solvent election be a family secret that we only talk about with believers since unbelievers will misunderstand. I’m just going to answer this because we we don’t have much.

    We’re running out of time. Again, I would say sovereign election is not the gospel.

    So, it’s not necessary to bring it up if you don’t have to because it’s a big conversation and we had two classes of this and we really barely scratched the surface. And the apostles as as Mark was saying before, the apostles did not preach going preach. Are you called?

    Are you called? No, they didn’t preach that way. They said everywhere every everybody everywhere should repent. Also, if they ask though, if they say, “Hey, I hear you’re this whole Calvinist thing and you you believe in sovereign election.

    What what is the deal with all that?” You don’t have to you don’t have to proaricate. You don’t have to lie about it. You don’t have to avoid the question. And we can have the freedom to do that because because we are reformed.

    We believe that God is sovereign. So if we tell them the truth and they don’t believe that’s not because we told them the truth. That’s because God didn’t regenerate them. So this is where our belief in God’s sovereignty is very freeing. Okay last question.

    “Our belief in God’s sovereignty is very freeing. If they don’t believe, it’s because God didn’t regenerate them.”

    Question 10: Does God Elect Some for Damnation?

    Does God elect some for salvation and some for damnation?

    This is also known as double predestination.

    Do we believe in double predestination, or another term that you might have heard about this is equal ultimacy?

    All right, I’m just going to answer it because this will take a long time. The answer is actually no.

    We don’t believe that as a church, and I don’t believe it’s biblical. Here is the reason. This is the order that God sort of does this thing. First of all, everyone is sinful and God decrees judgment on all sinful humanity. But then, having decreed judgment on all sinful humanity, God actively intervenes to save those he chooses but passively passes over those who he doesn’t, who is not written in the book of life. He passes over those others for mercy.

    Now, where do I get this? Ephesians 2: you were by nature children of wrath. God is not actively making you children of wrath. You were by nature children of wrath, but God—now here’s the active part—being rich in mercy, right? Because of his great love which he loved us, he saved us.

    Another way to see this is Romans 9:22-23.

    This is really a key verse to understand this. It says, “What if God, although willing to demonstrate his wrath and to make his power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction. And he did so to make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he prepared beforehand.” All right? If you look at that verse long enough, you see how he dealt with vessels of wrath. He what? Endured.

    “The decree of election is active, but the decree of reprobation is passive — letting happen what would happen without mercy.”

    It’s a passive enduring. However, what about vessels of mercy? Well, he prepared it beforehand. So we believe that the decree—we’ll call it a theological way, we’ll say it this way—the decree of election is an active decree, but the decree of reprobation is a passive decree. He’s basically just letting happen what would happen if you didn’t have mercy in the first place. Okay, I need to end.

    Closing: Sovereignty Should Humble Us

    Basically the why the way I want to close this sort of series is to say and to really make sure that we understand that the the the doctrine of the sovereignty god of god is really meant to humble you and not puff you up. And this is why Calvinism gets a bad reputation. It’s because there are many people who are very theologically minded.

    We’re very Calvinistic but are very puffed up. Right? And Calvinism once you understand it, once you understand God’s sovereignty, it should humble you. Should be have the opposite effect. And if you’re puffed up, that means you didn’t understand it. All right. And I’ll close again with Romans 11:33-36.

    Oh, the depths of riches of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God. How uncarchable are his judgments and how unfathomable his ways. For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who became his counselor or who has first given to him that it might be repaid to him.

    Romans 11:33: “Oh, the depths of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and unfathomable his ways.”

    For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever. Amen. Let’s close in prayer.

    Father, thank you for this doctrine. I pray that whatever I said that was wrong or not not maybe the best answer would you would sort of like make people forget that. But the stuff that is right. We pray that you would just have that burrow in our burrow in our hearts and really change our view about you to give you the glory for our salvation and to be able to talk about these things intelligently and graciously with those who disagree.

  • Lesson 8: Sovereign Election, Overview

    Lesson 8: Sovereign Election, Overview

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    Summary

    This lesson examines the doctrine of sovereign election and predestination from multiple passages of Scripture. We are reminded that salvation is entirely God-centered — not about our choice, but about God’s eternal purpose to glorify Himself by choosing a people for Himself before the foundation of the world.

    Key Lessons:

    1. Salvation exists for the praise of God’s glory, not for our benefit — the ultimate purpose is God-centered, not man-centered.
    2. God’s election is unconditional — He chose us not based on foreseen faith or works, but according to the kind intention of His will.
    3. The word “foreknew” in Romans 8 means God “foreloved” His people — election is not cold or arbitrary but flows from God’s love before the foundation of the world.
    4. God is sovereign not only over salvation but over every decision and good work in our lives, as Ephesians 2:10 teaches that even our good works were prepared beforehand.

    Application: We are called to respond to these truths with trembling awe at God’s power, wonder at His choice of us, rejoicing in our security, and worship — giving Him glory forever. We should let this doctrine inform how we view God, ourselves, our evangelism, and our eternal security.

    Discussion Questions:

    1. How does understanding that salvation is for “the praise of His glory” rather than primarily for our benefit change the way we think about our faith and daily lives?
    2. Romans 9 uses the analogy of a potter and clay — how should this shape our posture when we struggle with difficult doctrines we find in Scripture?
    3. If God sovereignly chose us before the foundation of the world, how should that truth affect our evangelism and our confidence in sharing the gospel?

    Scripture Focus: Ephesians 1:3-14 (election by the Father, redemption through the Son, sealing by the Spirit — all to the praise of His glory), Ephesians 2:8-10 (salvation as a gift including faith), Romans 8:28-30 (the golden chain of salvation), Romans 9:11-24 (the potter’s right to choose), John 6:37-44 (no one comes unless the Father draws him), Revelation 13:8 (the book of life written before the foundation of the world).

    Outline

    Introduction

    Back way back when I was still considering these topics and unsure. It does take some wrestling with.

    What are we talking about here?

    Did that work? Did I just mess everything up? Is it up or down? Okay, here we go. Did this actually work?

    The Big Question: Why Are We Saved?

    Oh, down. That’s very unintuitive. Okay, the big question is why are we saved?

    That’s the question. That’s no, that was up. Okay, this is going to be a bad morning. Here we go.

    The big question is why are we saved?

    There are two options. Well, there are actually many more than two options, but the two options that we’re going to consider in our limited time today is number one: because God chose us for salvation. Okay, and obviously we know that, well, we believe in our church, or the second option, which is because God gave us the choice to believe and we accepted that out of our own free will.

    “God chose us for salvation — before the foundation of the world.”

    So these are the two big choices out there today. The majority of the churches out there today in America would believe the second one.

    This is the old free will versus predestination debate. Every high schooler, in fact, I think in my high school in English class, in history class, we actually talked about this even though nobody was a Christian.

    But even the secular world thinks about this question. Is there true free will or is everything predestined?

    The Scriptural Answer: Predestination

    So the scriptural answer to keep you not in suspense is predestination. We are chosen before the foundation of the world.

    This is not new if you’ve been around in the church for a while. We are unashamedly in this camp. And what this means is before the foundation of the world, God picked or God elected. And this word elect doesn’t mean you’re voting like we would vote on November.

    It’s basically selection. He selected a certain group of people to be saved before they did anything right or wrong, before they could even have the ability to choose.

    “He selected a group of people to be saved, before they did anything right or wrong.”

    Separate from all of that and before they could even have faith, he selected a group of people for salvation. Okay. In the second sort of option, the picture is God does not select you individually, but Christ died so that you could have the opportunity to be saved.

    And then that offer can be denied or accepted depending on your own free will. Certain apologists, a very popular apologist out on YouTube, will couch it this way and this argument would seem familiar and it also will seem reasonable on its face. And which is this: God wants you to love him, but forced love is not true love.

    That’s what they’ll say, right? So they’ll say that if God forces you to love him, then that love is no love at all. That’s under compulsion. And so a loving God would never do that.

    I don’t necessarily want to spend a lot of time on this. Normally if we had more time today, I would probably ask you guys what the problem with that is, but I’ll just tell you the answer because we’re at 9:08 and we have like 15 pages of single-space notes. So the answer, the problem with this really is that the Bible never says that.

    That’s an interpretation from our human sense of right and wrong. Also, the other thing is the word forced. The word forced is a pejorative word. It’s a word that sort of implies that I’m like tying somebody up, right?

    And like forcing them to do something, sort of almost like in a crime, like I’m tying somebody up in my basement. But words matter. And here the more scriptural word to use is created for you to love him.

    So instead of saying he forced you to love him, he created you to love him. That’s really the more biblical way to look at it.

    And here salvation in scripture, we’ll note, is less about our love for God and more about God’s love for us, right? God’s love for us is the way that God saves us. It’s not because of our love for him. So anyways, those are sort of a few reasons why if you see that argument out there on YouTube or wherever you go, that argument doesn’t hold water.

    Predestination and Free Faith Are Both True

    All right, I’m going to get into the scripture, but before we do that, I want to clear up some confusion around this topic. Predestination and free will are often misunderstood. I just want to address one point of confusion: the fact that we say God chose us, the fact that we say our election or our selection as Christians is predestined, is not to say that our faith is coerced. It’s not to say that God is forcing you or putting a gun to your head against your will.

    How could it be that we are both chosen for predestination and the fact that we freely repented and believed? Both of those two things are actually true at the same time. We have to be very clear about this. They’re both true at the same time. How can it be that we are both chosen and yet we also can say we freely repented and believed?

    The answer to this question: first of all, you have to understand that just because something is difficult to understand doesn’t mean it’s not true. This is just one of maybe a long line of scriptural seemingly paradoxes that are true. For example, is God three or one? We just talked about that last week. Even after you’re saved, are the good works that you do from God or from you? Is Jesus fully God or fully man? Is the Christian life easy or hard? Is the Bible written by man or by God?

    You see, all of these questions—the answer is both. The answer is actually both, but it’s complex. And it’s the same here. Just because it’s difficult for us to understand does not mean it’s not true. And that is where a lot of people who oppose Calvinism will fall down.

    “Just because something is difficult to understand doesn’t mean it’s not true.”

    So what is sovereign election and predestination? Let’s just define a few things and then we will go to the scriptures.

    So predestination is that you would freely believe.

    TULIP: The Five Points of Calvinism

    All right. What is this? What is tulip?

    When we talk about sovereign election, I can’t not mention this.

    I’m not going to spend a lot of time on this acronym. But everybody who studies this topic runs across this acronym. These are, as we like to call, the five points of Calvinism or the doctrines of grace.

    And you might see them in slightly different forms, but this is sort of the classical way of talking about it. Total depravity. Man is born totally depraved, unable—actually unable, not just unwilling, but unable to respond to God’s call.

    Unconditional election. He elected you or he selected you before the foundation of the world. Not because of anything you have done. Absolutely nothing. Not even because he looked down the corridors of time and he knows that you’re going to have faith.

    There’s nothing like that. God selected you unconditionally. Limited atonement. That is the one that everyone misunderstands and also, I guess, in some sense really fights against. Limited atonement means that God came and died for the elect.

    Okay. His sacrifice was sufficient for everyone, but it was applied to the elect. Okay. And irresistible grace is the fact—is the idea that when God selected you or God elected you, that election is irresistible.

    Not that you would want to resist it. It’s a little bit of a weird term because it seems like maybe you’re trying to resist it, but that’s not how it is. It’s irresistible grace just means he calls you, you’re going to come, right? I think of the disciples. He called the disciples and they came and that was the end of it, right? Perseverance of the saints.

    This is also sometimes known as once saved always saved. Basically, once you are elected, once you are selected, that’s it. That’s the end of the story.

    “He calls you, you’re going to come. Once you are elected, that’s the end of the story.”

    There’s nothing that can snatch you out of the hand of God. Okay, these are controversial topics. Each one of these is a big fight theologically. And we will see a few of these things in scripture as we go along today. I’m not going to necessarily address all of them. We still have time. Each one of these is a separate class. But if you have any questions about any of this, we can. Yes.

    Just a quick question.

    Okay.

    What is the origin of the five?

    Interesting.

    Historical Origin of the Five Points

    All right. Okay. Very very quick. So I’m not going to because 15 pages of single face notes. So n uh608 I want to say there was this like huge fight in the Netherlands. Okay. And there was this guy named Arminius who obviously is the father of Arminism.

    Why Should You Care?

    Arminianism, which we’re not going to talk about a lot today but maybe next time, basically believes the opposite of these five points—every single one of them. So he comes out with, I think, the Remonstrant Strands, the Points of Remonstration or something like this. Exactly. It’s basically the opposite of these five points.

    And then they convene this council in a place called Dorchester or whatever. I can’t remember the name, but it’s called the Canons of Dort, which is a really fun thing to say. The Canons of Dort. Okay.

    A bunch of people from all over Europe came and they sort of hashed out these five points. The actual acronym TULIP is an English acronym. Obviously, they weren’t speaking English; they were speaking Dutch.

    So they came out with something like this in their own language. And then around the 1900s, some guy—you can look it up if you want—was the first person to put it in this acronym. So the acronym itself is only from like the 1900s, but the actual points were from the 1600s, and those were the Canons of Dort.

    Okay, we could go into a lot of the history. However, I think that all of these points are biblically supported. So last thing before we get into the scripture, and I want you to prepare yourselves because there’s a lot of scripture and it’s important that you actually pay attention to them if you want to understand this topic.

    Why should you care? Lots of people say that this is just sort of inside baseball. It’s not really that important. Let’s just get to the business of evangelism. I think it does matter, and I think it influences everything. First of all, God put it in the Bible. I think it’s pretty clear that God put it in the Bible. He wants us to know these things. Some of these things he tells us are very difficult to understand, but actually amazing to behold. Hopefully we’ll see it.

    It also informs our view of God. There’s nothing more important than that. It informs our view of ourselves. Are we totally depraved or not? That informs our view of ourselves. It informs the source of our faith and our works.

    Does our faith and our works come from the fact that I was good enough to have faith? Like maybe I was just a little different than you guys, and I was like, “Yes, I’m humble enough to really understand this and behold this, right?” It informs our evangelism.

    How do we evangelize? Do we sort of try to trick people into saying the prayer? And also, it informs our eternal security. So these are pretty important things to think about.

    “God put it in the Bible. He wants us to know these things.”

    Okay.

    The Weight of Scripture

    The Bible—okay, let’s state it this way. When Khalif was talking about the Trinity a week ago and maybe three weeks before that, one of the problems he said was that it’s difficult to deal with this topic because the word “trinity” doesn’t appear in the Bible by itself.

    Here we have the opposite problem. We have the fact that there are too many scriptures. There’s just too much scripture. There’s too much to go through, and the Bible is very explicit on all of the terms.

    So we don’t have that problem. But our opposite problem is that we have too many scriptures. We can’t possibly go through them all. The ones that are highlighted are the ones I’m going to try to go through, okay? If I can.

    But I want to just say at the outset: I did not start out as a Calvinist. I did not start out like this. It took me maybe three years—two or three years after I was saved. And the only reason that we believe any of these things is because it’s in the Bible. This is not a doctrine that man would come up with. Really, it is not.

    “The only reason we believe any of these things is because it’s in the Bible.”

    It doesn’t really make any sense to natural man.

    So these are 18 Bible verses. I don’t want to say these are all the Bible verses. There’s more that I missed, but these are the 18. I’ll maybe send this out later so you guys don’t have to copy anything down.

    Ephesians 1:3-14 — Chosen Before the Foundation of the World

    Let’s talk about these themes in order. Ephesians 1:3-6. If you have your Bibles and this is a topic you want to struggle with, if you want to wrestle with it, I recommend that you actually open it and look at the text in the Bible.

    Ephesians 1:3-6. In fact, I’m just going to get a Bible and read it. Let me see if I can find it.

    This is a hymnal.

    Okay, there we go.

    So I was saying before that these are the main verses, and the few that I want to go through are the ones that I think address it in depth. Some of the other ones are like maybe one or two verses that are important, but this is like entire passages. Okay, so this is obviously the book we’re going over in men’s Bible study. All the men, this is all easy for you. You guys all know this already.

    Okay, so I’m going to read it. It’s going to be very familiar. It says, “Blessed be the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ.

    Just as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before him in love. He predestined us—okay, there’s that word—to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to himself according to the kind intention of his will, to the praise of the glory of his grace which he freely bestowed on us in the beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished on us.

    Ephesians 1:4: “He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him.”

    In all wisdom and insight, he made known to us the mystery of his will, according to his kind intention which he purposed in him with a view to the administration suitable to the fullness of the times. That is the summing up of all things in Christ, things in heaven and things on the earth. In him also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things after the counsel of his will.

    To the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be for the praise of his glory. In him you also, having listened to this message of faith, the gospel of your salvation, having also believed, you were sealed in him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who was given as a pledge of our inheritance with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession to the praise of his glory.”

    Okay. So you have to read that like twenty times to really get everything in your head. I’m going to make a few observations, and we will run to the next passage. So the first is Ephesians 1:3.

    This is where we have to start. We have to start with this: “Blessed be the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

    Salvation Is God-Centered: To the Praise of His Glory

    The ultimate purpose of salvation is always God-centered. Okay? And this is where a lot of competing theories of salvation start out wrong.

    A lot of competing theories of salvation says God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life. He wants you to be saved. And you don’t come to these conclusions of the doctrines of grace unless you start out with this particular fact, which is that salvation is not ultimately about you at all.

    Okay? It’s really not about you or me. It is about God. Salvation is about God. And what is it about God? Well, I just want to notice one thing about you. Verse 1 through verse 4, Paul—or I guess read to verse 4 here—Paul is talking about election by the father.

    Okay? The father elected you. He chose you before the foundation of the world. Verses 7-12, he’s talking about redemption through the son. Okay? By him you have redemption through his blood. And then you already know where this is going.

    Verses 13-14, he’s talking about sealing by the spirit. Okay? So if you remember back last week when we’re talking about the trinity, all three members of the trinity are here. But that’s not what I want you to notice.

    What I want you to notice is after every section, he says something. He in fact repeats the same phrase over and over again. He talks about the father and then he repeats a phrase. He talks about the son. He repeats a phrase. And he talks about the spirit. And he repeats a phrase. And what is that phrase?

    To the praise of his glory. To the praise of his glory. To the praise of his glory. To the praise of his glory.

    The ultimate purpose of your salvation is not you, but is to the praise of the glory of God. Okay. Now, everything we talked about from now to the end of the class will make more sense because this is all about God. It’s not about you.

    “The ultimate purpose of your salvation is not you, but is to the praise of the glory of God.”

    It’s not about me.

    He Chose Us Before the Foundation of the World

    Psalm 106:8 says, “Nevertheless, he saved them.” This is talking about Israel, “For the sake of his name that he might make his power known.” We have to start here to make any headway at all.

    Verse four, he chose us. This word chose. He chose us in him. And notice where this choice happened. This choice happened before the foundation of the world. This is not even a moment in time. This is like before time even existed. And not that even makes sense, but this is not saying what this is not saying. This is not saying that God chose you to have an offer extended to you. He’s not saying I chose you to have this pamphlet handed to you and you can sort of decide whether or not you want to do it or not.

    Psalm 106:8: “Nevertheless, He saved them for the sake of His name, that He might make His power known.”

    No. He chose you before the foundation of the world for all of the rest of the stuff that comes after this. That is to be saved. Now the other thing I want to say is we say he chose us in the foundation of the world that we would be holy and blameless before him.

    In Him: Chosen in the Sphere of Christ

    And let’s see, it keeps saying “in him, in him we have redemption in him. In him, in him.” And when the scripture, when Paul talks about “in him,” he’s talking about everything happening in the sphere of Christ. Okay, so all of this is in the sphere of Christ. What does that really mean? Sometimes I look at commentaries and they say that a lot, right? And you’re like, “What does that mean? Is Christ the sphere?” Well, actually, what this means is a very deep and amazing truth: that before the foundation of the world, God loved Christ.

    How do I know that? John 17:24 says this: “Father, I desire that they also,” Jesus speaking, “who you have given me be with me where I am, so that they may see my glory which you have given me. For you loved me before what? The foundation of the world.” Okay, so before the foundation of the world, God loved Christ.

    What else happened before the foundation of the world? He chose us. In the sphere of Christ means all of those things happen. We can’t say at the same time, but all of that happens before time. All of that happened in one logical thing.

    Okay, before the foundation of the world, the whole story was created, the whole story was written before the foundation of the world in Christ.

    “The whole story was written before the foundation of the world in Christ.”

    Predestined According to His Will

    And Christ was—the Father loved Christ before the foundation of the world. God the Father loved Christ, but at the same instant, moment. Okay, you understand? He chose us. This is a crazy thing to think about. And then verse five we see the word that we base all of this on, which is the word “predestined.” This word actually, if you look in the Greek, is literally “before determined.” That’s what it means. That he determined beforehand, or he decided in advance.

    Now, how did he decide this in advance?

    See, Paul tells us a lot in this, and you really have to sort of tease this out. How does he decide us? How does he decide in advance? Well, the word “according to” is actually going to tell you the answer. The “according to” implies that what’s going to come next is the standard or the basis by which God is going to do the thing he did. So, why did he predestine us? He predestined us according to what? On the basis of what did he say? On the basis of good works.

    Does he say on the basis of our future faith or the foreknowledge that we would have faith? No. He says on the basis of what? His kind intention of his will. Right?

    So it is all about his will.

    And then even in verse 11, which you can skip to if you’re looking at it, it makes it even more clear. He says the same thing again, just in case you didn’t quite get it the first time, okay? Predestined according to the basis of the purpose who, just to be completely clear, works all things after the counsel of his will. So that’s it.

    “It is all about His will — predestined according to the purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will.”

    That’s the reason. Not because he looked down the corridors of time and saw what you’re going to do. Not because you’re such a great person or because you’re humble enough to accept his faith.

    All right? So this is all about God. And the reason he chose you is his will, and that’s it. All right, okay. Let’s flip over to Ephesians 2.

    Ephesians 2:8-10 — Salvation Is a Gift

    And this I’m not going to spend a lot of time on this. If you were at men’s Bible study on Wednesday, Ian Pang very capably took us through this and gave us a very complete picture. If you’re a woman, you can maybe ask one of the men to sneak you a bootleg copy of that. But anyways, I didn’t say that by the way.

    Ephesians 2:8-10. I’m sorry, I completely forgot about these slides.

    Let me see if I… Okay. Right. Okay. All right. Good. Ephesians 2:8-10. “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves. It is a gift of God, not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, so we walk in them.” All right. Familiar passage. We probably memorized this all in Sunday school.

    If all the Sunday school kids memorize this verse. Now let’s make a few quick observations.

    At Iron Man, Ian told us what is or asked us what is the gift of God, right? What is exactly the gift? Is it faith? Is it grace? What is it, right? And he set us up a little bit. That was kind of nice. And then the answer is actually the whole thing is salvation, okay. But salvation does not exclude grace and faith.

    Salvation actually includes the whole thing, right? So just want you to notice that. Salvation is grace and it’s faith. So then all of that is a gift of God.

    “Salvation includes the whole thing — grace and faith. All of it is a gift of God.”

    Let me see what did I say here.

    No One May Boast

    Okay. Just to be totally clear, that’s the case. He says so that no one may boast.

    “So that no one may boast — how does that make sense unless the whole thing is a gift from God?”

    Okay, let’s pretend that salvation is sort of given and I can sort of decide or whatever, and in the grand cosmic reality I could say yeah, I mean, I could say Ian, okay, so like Ian, you were confronted with the same gospel I was and you didn’t really believe, and that’s just kind of on you. And like I did, I read it and I kind of understood it and I wrestled with it and then I came to faith, and I think I am a little better than you in that respect. Right? So there you go. Okay.

    God Is Sovereign Over All Our Works

    No one may boast. How does that even make any sense unless the whole thing is a gift from God? The faith, the means of God’s grace, is included in the gift. All right. And another thing about this that I want to show you is in that next verse.

    People who oppose the idea of predestination sometimes will say this. They’ll somehow make the salvation decision categorically different than the other decisions you make in your life. They’ll be like, “Yeah, there’s something different about that decision that has to be completely free. Everything else may be God influences or whatever, but there’s something about it—they call that out as a special decision that you are able to make without any coercion.”

    But this verse is showing us something pretty amazing, and that is that the choice of salvation God is sovereign over is not the only decision he’s sovereign over. In fact, he’s sovereign over every decision you’re going to make. Even after you’re saved, all your good works. Did you decide to do it? You didn’t actually decide to do any of those things. Well, I mean, in a cosmic sense, you did decide, but God is sovereign over all of those too.

    So we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works. What does that say? Which God prepared beforehand. How does that make any sense? How can he prepare all of my good works beforehand? So if I get up and I decide to do a good work, was that me deciding or is that God? And in a sense, that’s exactly the same decision as your salvation decision. All right, that decision was totally under the sovereign control of God.

    “Even after you’re saved, all your good works — God prepared them beforehand.”

    Okay, we’re doing okay on time. I think we have a chance.

    Romans 8:28-30 — The Golden Chain of Salvation

    All right, let’s move on quickly to Romans 8. Romans 8:28 is sometimes called the golden chain of salvation. I like that term. Let me just read it really fast if you turn there.

    And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew, he also predestined to become conformed to the image of his son, so that he would be the firstborn among many brethren. And these whom he predestined, he also called, and these whom he called, he also justified, and these whom he justified, he also glorified.

    This golden chain is detailing for us, really pulling back the curtain to show us how God’s overall plan of salvation actually works. Let me just back up a little bit and tell you what the context of this verse is because it helps you understand. If you go back up to verse 18, he’s talking about how the believers are suffering, right? And the suffering is not to be compared with anything that’s going to come out.

    Romans 8:29-30: “Those whom He foreknew, He also predestined… called… justified… glorified.”

    Every bit of it’s all worth it. It’s all worth it. Suffering is not to be compared with the glory that’s coming.

    And in verse 28, he’s going to tell them why their suffering is not to be compared and why they should be okay with that. Why they should trust in this. His answer is that God has a purpose for your suffering. Your suffering is not for nothing. God has a purpose for it. God has planned this out all along from the beginning. He has a grand plan that ties everything together.

    Now, even in the secular world, people don’t have a problem with this. They’ll come back and say, “God has a purpose. There’s a purpose for everything, right? God has a purpose.” But this is saying something much deeper than this.

    All Things Work Together for Good

    It’s actually saying if you look at what it’s saying, he says, “All things work together for good for those who love God.” Now, all things is a completely encompassing word. All things. All right? Everything works together for good to those who love God. All things.

    You think about it and you think about that. It’s like, how can I be sure that all things work together for my good? How is that possible?

    Like something that happens over in Singapore or something like that—is that gonna happen for my good? Like is all the suffering in my life, is all the sort of problems in my life actually all for my good? How can you guarantee that, God? How can you guarantee that? And the only way that anybody can guarantee that is if God is in control of every minutia of your life. If there was any one variable he was not in control over, this could not be said. This could not be said because how would that thing work out for your good?

    Maybe that thing will not work out for your good. But the point is this is a declaration of God’s complete sovereignty, exhaustive control over every aspect not only of your life but the entire universe. This is God’s sovereign control. It’s a mind-boggling statement that’s difficult actually to believe. How could God control every single atom in the universe in this way?

    “If there was any one variable God was not in control over, this promise could not be made.”

    Now Paul is going to have to justify himself. He can’t just say something like that, right? He’s going to justify it.

    Here it is. Here’s a justification.

    The Chain: Foreknew, Predestined, Called, Justified, Glorified

    Here’s some supporting evidence. How do we know that God was in control? How do that, Paul? How do that? Well, here we go.

    God has planned all of it out from the beginning. He’s going to show you this. Actually, God has planned the entire thing out from the beginning. From the beginning to the end. Watch this.

    He foreknew you. Okay, I’m going to do this this time. Right, here we go. He foreknew you. Right now, he predestined you. We’ll talk about all these terms just really briefly. He called you.

    Those whom he called, he will justify. And those whom he justified, he will glorify. Now he’s not saying some of which I justified I will glorify. He’s not saying some of whom I called will be justified. He’s not saying some who I predestined will be called. All right, these will be justified. These will be glorified.

    Now the word foreknow—this is the word that a lot of Armenians or a lot of people who oppose Calvinism will hang their theology on. They’ll say aha, that means that God just knows what you’re going to believe. He just understands like your decision. He just looks down the corridor of time and sees yeah, Greg is going to say yes there. So I’m just going to like sort of plan the universe around that. Okay.

    “He’s not saying some whom I called will be justified — all whom He called, He justified.”

    Foreknew Means Foreloved

    But which would be great, but that’s not what he does. He foreknows. Well, notice the object of foreknow. What is he knowing? Does he know a decision? Is that what he’s saying? Is he foreknowing a decision? What is the object? The person. He’s talking about people.

    What does that mean to foreknow a person?

    Well, he gives us clues. There’s lots and lots of clues here. I’m just going to give you one. First Peter 1:20.

    See if you can tell when I read this who he’s talking about. He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you. Who is he talking about?

    Jesus. Okay. He’s talking about Christ.

    So is he saying I’m looking down the corridors of time and seeing what like Christ is going to decide? No, there’s nothing to do with that. That means he loved Christ as we already read that verse. He loved Christ before the foundation of the world.

    It’s a foreknow is a word about how he loved you. In fact, you could actually say this is foreloved. He foreloved you before the foundation of the world. Okay, this is a lot of people sometimes think Calvinism or the doctrines of grace is like a very cold and callous doctrine, right?

    But this word rightly understood completely just like blows that away because what does this mean? He loved you before the foundations of the world. It’s not cold or callous. This is a choice made out of love. He loved you.

    “Foreknew means He foreloved you before the foundation of the world. This is a choice made out of love.”

    He didn’t just say, “I’m just going to choose them out of some. I’m going to roll some dice and like, okay, it came out six.” So, like, Cheryl, right? Like, he actually it’s like, “Cheryl, I love you. That’s why I’m going to do this for you.” This is a bad analogy. And Keith told me to not do analogies last week. But anyways, you have I have two girls and they have like maybe altogether they have like maybe a thousand stuffed animals in the house.

    Something like this. And like not all of them come out to play. They have like maybe four that consistently make it. Okay.

    And like the other ones, we just sort of put a net up and sort of keep them up there. They’ve been up there maybe for years.

    But why do they love those four?

    Well, it’s hard to say, right? To me, they look exactly the same as the others, but they made a choice. And just like we’re kind of like God’s favorite ones. And this is like really weird to talk about. In fact, you can’t even necessarily say that without feeling a little bit weird about it, right?

    He foreloved you. Okay.

    What’s chilling is that he uses the same form of this word in this verse. Many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons, and in your name perform many miracles? And I will declare to them, I never knew you. All right? I never knew you.

    Predestined to Become Like Jesus

    You who practice lawlessness. For no is he loved you. He for loved. Okay. The word predestined. We already talked about this same word as in Ephesians. But what did he predestine you to do? And this is a very deep thought. We could just talk about this for the entire rest of the lesson. He predestined you to become like who? Like Jesus.

    He predestined you to become like Jesus.

    God, this verse is amazing because he’s peeling back the curtain of the universe to let you see his entire plan.

    And one of the things that people always ask unbelievers is what is the meaning of life? What is the purpose of all this? Why are we here? It seems random. Why are we here? It doesn’t seem like there’s a purpose. Well, God is telling you what the purpose of life is right here. This is the purpose of the entire universe. This is why you exist.

    “God is peeling back the curtain of the universe to let you see His entire plan — this is the meaning of life.”

    The Meaning of Life: Copies of Christ

    This is why I exist. This is why the entire universe exists. This is the meaning of life. The father says to his son in eternity past, he says, “Out of my great love for you, I’m going to give you a gift. And the gift is, I’m going to make you a bunch of copies of yourself.” That’s what it says here. I’m not saying anything heretical.

    And I’m going to adopt them into our family as children. And we’re going to make you the big brother.

    “God told His Son: I’m going to give you copies of yourself and adopt them as children. You’ll be the big brother.”

    Effectual and Irresistible Calling

    That’s the meaning of life. That’s what the entire creation is for. That’s why it’s all moving towards. That is the whole point. It’s not about your salvation. Actually, it’s about Christ and the gift that God is giving Jesus Christ. That is the purpose of God in creation. The entire verse could talk about that for months.

    There’s this idea that we talk about when we talk about the gospel of grace of effectual call. Effectual call means it’s different than a general call. A general call is you stand up and you say all who believe in Christ will be saved and you talk to maybe a thousand people and then like most of them will ignore you, right?

    But the effectual call is like Jesus calling the disciples. He says, “Hey, you come follow me.” And then you don’t see the disciples go, “Yeah, I don’t know. I’m kind of busy right now. Like, I have stuff to do.”

    Right? No. You just get up and follow them. You drop what you’re doing and get up and follow them. And this is the effectual call.

    So the effectual call is the same call we get who are believers.

    This is an irresistible call. This is where we talk about irresistible grace back in Tulip. It’s an irresistible call. It is not resisted by anyone who is called. Irresistible again doesn’t mean I really don’t want to do this, like I’m going to be dragged into it. No. It’s not that I’m not going to resist it.

    “The effectual call is like Jesus calling the disciples — you drop everything and follow.”

    That’s what it means. I’m not resisting it. I’m going with this.

    So how do I know this is an irresistible call? Well, these whom he called. Everyone here whom he called is justified.

    It’s a complete, all-encompassing thing. Called, justified. It’s not some of these who I call will be justified. All of them are. Be very clear. It’s very important.

    God Will Not Waste Your Suffering

    Just going back, what is Paul’s original plan point? God is not going to waste even a minute amount of your suffering. That’s the whole point of this whole thing, by the way. He’s not going to waste any amount of your suffering, but he’s completely in control in eternity past. And he has a plan for you and the universe. And that plan, by the way, isn’t about you. It’s about Jesus, which is awesome.

    Because God’s not going to give up on a plan that he has for Jesus. And that plan is moving inexorably—nobody can stop it. From your justification to your glorification.

    “God is not going to give up on a plan He has for Jesus — it moves inexorably and nobody can stop it.”

    Romans 9:11-24 — The Potter’s Right to Choose

    From your calling, justification, glorification, right? Okay, we are going. Keep going. Romans 9:11-24.

    This verse, again, it’s one of these verses we can spend an entire sermon series on, but Romans 9:11-24 I sort of think about it as the potter’s right to choose. Now there is a right to choose in the Bible, but it’s not our right to choose. It’s God’s right to choose.

    Okay. And this again is Paul. In this section, we actually kind of see Paul justify why this is okay for God, right? Because the calling of Calvinism or the doctrine of Calvinism is hard to accept for people because of the fact that it seems unfair to people, right?

    It’s like why are some people called and some people aren’t? Well, because of the good pleasure of his will. Some people just aren’t okay with that, right? Okay. Potter’s right to choose. We’re going to move fast. Fasten your seat belts.

    Verse 11: For though the twins, talking about the twins, talking about Esau and Jacob, were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad. Okay? So that God’s purpose according to his choice would stand, not because of works, but because of him who what? Who calls. Okay? Notice how he doesn’t say not because of works, but because of their faith.

    Romans 9:11-12: “Not because of works, but because of Him who calls.”

    Doesn’t say not because of works or because of their eventual faith looking at the course of time. Didn’t say any of that stuff. Okay? Not because of works but because of him. He could have said faith. In fact, you kind of expect Paul to say faith, right? But no, him who calls—very important. And that calling, of course, is an effectual calling.

    Jacob I Loved, Esau I Hated

    And then one of the most chilling verses I think in Romans, just as it is written, Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.

    Okay, very chilling. If he just left it at Jacob I loved, it wouldn’t be so chilling, but he had to add that little phrase at the end. Esau I hated.

    Romans 9:13: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated — before anyone did anything good or bad.”

    And remember, this is before anyone did anything good or bad. Not because of their works, not because of their eventual faith. And there are deep implications to this verse that we just don’t have time to talk about today. But just sort of mark that in your mind as an important thing. Verse 14.

    It Does Not Depend on Human Will

    Paul anticipates your argument. He knows that you’re going to say, “That’s not really fair. Why why did you hate Esau? Why did you love Jacob? You didn’t seem like they did anything.” Well, he has to answer. This actual argument only really makes sense if he knows that you’re going to be like, “That’s unfair.” Okay, what shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be. For he says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

    That verse over here, verse 16, should put an end to any argument about Calvinism or about the doctrines of grace. Here it is: So then, it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.

    It is not any human will. It is not any effort that saves you. It is all the mercy of God. It is all the mercy of God. It is not anything about your will. It’s not anything about Jacob’s will or Esau’s will.

    Romans 9:16: “It does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.”

    But he kind of goes further than that.

    God Hardens Whom He Desires

    It keeps going. Okay, here we go. For the scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this purpose I raised you up to demonstrate my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed through the whole earth.” Again, is it about Pharaoh? No, it’s not about Pharaoh. But this is really chilling because it says, “So then he has mercy on whom he desires and he hardens whom he desires.” And he keeps hardening Pharaoh’s heart, right?

    Like, wow, that’s not very Arminian. What about giving Pharaoh the sort of free will to believe? That doesn’t seem like what God’s doing. God’s kind of messing around with Pharaoh’s free will there a little bit, isn’t he? It does not sound very fair. And it flies completely in the face of the free will theory of salvation.

    “He has mercy on whom He desires and He hardens whom He desires.”

    Doesn’t seem to be much free will for Pharaoh. And you realize after you look at this and you think about it a little bit that this is not the only time God does this.

    In fact, he’s done this even in Isaiah 6. He says, “Lest I’m going to proclaim to them, eyes are going to be blinded. You’re going to be so that they will, unless they turn and believe and be saved.” It’s like, well, doesn’t seem like you actually want that to happen. And why did Jesus start talking in parables? Is it because Jesus was afraid for his life? Actually, no.

    People say that sometimes, but Jesus has no fear. He walks through people, right? Those crowds try to grab him. He just walks right through them. I don’t know how he does it, but maybe he turns into a mist. I don’t really know what it is, but he just walks through them. He’s not afraid of anybody. What is it? It’s judgment.

    Who Are You to Answer Back to God?

    What about the free will of the Pharisees? Interesting, right? You still want to argue. Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I raised you up.” Then you will say to me, “Then why does he still find fault?” I mean, you have to understand Paul is taking you through this, anticipating all of your arguments. Why do you still find fault? On the contrary, who are you, a man who answers back to God? You still want to argue, and Paul says actually you have no right to argue. You’re just like a pot. Why is the pot going to argue to God?

    This is very clarifying. The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this?”

    Romans 9:20-21: “Who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, why did you make me like this?”

    Will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? Now, this translation does not do this text justice.

    He’s talking about plates that you would serve a guest, right? So you come over to our house, I’m going to serve you some dinner. I’m going to give you a plate, right? Common use back then—they didn’t have toilets. So this is talking about those types of pots, chamber pots for common use. This is very graphic stuff, right?

    So think about this. What is he saying? He’s saying God can make both of those pots and you have no right to tell him why he’s doing that. He wants to do it. He wants to make some of these pots for common use. You kind of need them around the house to be honest, back then. If you don’t have them, you’re in trouble. And you also have pots you use to serve guests. God wants to work and make one or the other. Who are you, the pot, to say to the potter, “I didn’t think you should do that”?

    Vessels of Mercy Prepared Beforehand for Glory

    They’re—this is even worse because it says, sorry, I’m sorry, Potter. What if God, although willing to demonstrate his wrath, to make his power known, endured with patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and he did so? Listen to this. Why did he do this?

    Why did he make vessels of wrath? Don’t you ever wonder that question? You’re like, “Ask why are there so many unbelievers that have never heard the gospel?” Oh, that is a hard question. Like, why are there people out across the world with no missionary?

    Why does God allow that? Why does God allow all these people here who have heard the gospel, maybe, to not believe? And we wrestle with that. And God answered your question. This is your answer. You might not like it, but this is the answer.

    And he did this to make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy. To make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy. That’s why—which he what?

    Prepared beforehand for glory. Beforehand. He prepared before the foundation of the world. He prepared vessels of mercy. That’s you and me if we believe. He prepared vessels for mercy. But why did he prepare the other ones?

    So that the riches of his glory would be known more. And somehow I can’t say this. It’s not me who’s saying this, okay? I want you to understand this. The fact that there are vessels of destruction makes it more known, makes it more glorious, makes it so that God gets more glory by showing mercy to you.

    “He made vessels of wrath to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, prepared beforehand for glory.”

    Because I don’t know, maybe it’s they look at these vessels of destruction and they say that’s what they deserve. Or whoever the witnesses are, that’s what they deserve. And now look at what they’re doing to you. Now look at what God does to you. The contrast.

    How does he lavish the grace upon you?

    That’s the purpose. Okay, that’s the purpose.

    John 6:37-44 — No One Comes Unless the Father Draws Him

    Okay, we’ve talked about all of the glories of the universe. I just want to really, really fast. Okay, John 6. I’m sorry this verse is another five sermons, but John 6:37-39.

    Five minutes left. We can do this. Jesus raises all or son the son. Okay, this is very clear to say that the son saves those who the father gives. The son does not save anybody the father does not give.

    Both of those things are true and shown in this verse. All that the father gives me will come to me. Jesus saying, we talked about this when pastor Dave preached about this. All that the father gives will come to me. Okay. Now again here we see sort of the unity of the trinity. We talked about the trinity last week. We see the unity of the trinity. It’s not that the father gives the son a few people and then the son comes and like tries to get more people on himself independent of the father.

    John 6:37: “All that the Father gives me will come to me.”

    No, actually the father prepares beforehand a group of people and he gives those people to Christ. Those people. Okay, now it’s very specific these people. And the one who comes to me I will certainly not cast out for I have come down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the father. So he’s not the son is not on a separate mission of salvation that’s separate from the father. Father gave him these vessels of mercy. The son takes these vessels of mercy. Right? This is the will of him who sent me that he has given of that he has given me.

    I lose nothing. Of what? That he has given me. Okay. Prepared beforehand, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my father that everyone who beholds the son and believes in him will have eternal life.

    Those the Father Gives Will Believe

    What is the clear conclusion from this verse? If you look at that verse long enough, you’ll come to this conclusion.

    You’ll come to this conclusion that the people who come to believe in Jesus are the same people who God gave beforehand.

    The people who God gave beforehand will believe. And the people who believe are the people who God gave beforehand. Same people, all right? It’s the same people.

    “The people who come to believe in Jesus are the same people God gave beforehand.”

    Verses 6:30, 37, and 39 make it even more clear. Let’s look at verse 44. No one can come to Jesus—is that really what you’re saying, Jesus? Well, no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.

    John 6:44: “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.”

    No one can come to me. He’s basically saying, okay, just so you’re clear.

    Father gave me these people. I’m going to raise these people up in the last day. I will not fail because I’m obeying the Father completely in that mission.

    And by the way, just to be totally clear, no one who’s not in that box can come to me. No one. They cannot come to me.

    Revelation 13:8 — The Book of Life from the Foundation of the World

    Total depravity. Okay? You cannot come to God. You cannot come unless you’re drawn, unless you’re appointed to eternal life. I am sorry. One minute more. Revelation 3:8. This also was in one of these verses that closes the book on this whole thing. The book of life from the beginning.

    All who dwell on the earth will worship him. Everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the lamb who has been slain.

    He’s talking about the beast by the way.

    So there’s a book and it’s written and they have names in it and it was written before the foundation of the world. And if you’re in it, you’re good. But if you’re not in it, well, it says here that you’re going to be worshiping the beast.

    “There’s a book with names written before the foundation of the world — if you’re in it, you’re good.”

    Conclusion: What Shall We Say to These Things?

    It’s pretty clear to me. I think we’re actually good on time. Next week I’m going to talk about objections and questions. This is basically my theological overview of all of these verses. So if you have specific objections or questions, please send them to me over email and I will try to get to those specifically. I’ll try to send these slides out if I remember.

    But I just want to conclude. I think we’ve seen through all of these verses that we’ve only gone through maybe a third of the ones I even tried to go through, and there’s more besides. This is just the New Testament. There’s much more even in the Old Testament. The clear weight of scripture is that God’s completely sovereign intellection—not even in our choice for salvation, but our choices even after we’re saved and the ones before.

    We’ve seen some great and mysterious truths of the universe. And what do we say to these things? This is what I always want to leave you with: what do we say to these things?

    I think we first tremble in fear at the power of God. What kind of God can do this? What kind of power is this? We wonder in awe how we are selected and not all these other people, and we rejoice. This should bring you a lot of joy, and it also should bring you a lot of security that those God elected before the foundation of the world are the people who will be glorified, sealed by the Holy Spirit.

    “We tremble in fear at God’s power, wonder in awe at our selection, and rejoice in the security of His sovereign election.”

    These heavenly truths are both terrifying and too wonderful for us. And again we say with the Apostle Paul, what shall we say to these things? We say to him be the glory forever.

    “What shall we say to these things? To Him be the glory forever.”

    Amen. Let’s close in a word of prayer. Next week I will try to interact more.

    Father, we thank you for allowing us to study this and the great clarity of your word. It’s just so clear from these verses and also even more verses besides. This is not a doctrine that’s being hung on one or two verses, one or two proof texts.

    Even though we sometimes don’t want to believe these things, we see it and we see it and we see it and we see it, and you just keep driving it home and we must come to believe it. Because you have told us these things. You want us to know.

    You want us to have faith. And thank you, Lord, that you are completely in sovereign control. We need not fear anything because those you called you will justify, and those you justify you will glorify. Christ, we pray. Amen.

  • Lesson 7: The Trinity, Questions

    Lesson 7: The Trinity, Questions

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    Summary

    This lesson continues a study on the Trinity by addressing practical questions from the congregation. The focus is on how the Trinity relates to our prayer life and whether belief in the Trinity is necessary for salvation.

    Key Lessons:

    1. The biblical model for prayer is to pray to the Father, in the name of the Son, through or by the Holy Spirit — each person of the Trinity plays a distinct role in our prayers.
    2. The Holy Spirit intercedes for us even when we don’t know how to pray, and He reminds us of our intimate relationship with God as our Father.
    3. Praying “in the name of Jesus” means both acknowledging what Christ accomplished on the cross and aligning our prayers with God’s will as revealed in Scripture.
    4. 1 John repeatedly ties salvation to confessing Jesus as the Son of God, making acknowledgment of the Trinity’s distinctions essential to a biblical understanding of the gospel.

    Application: We are called to pray with confidence and boldness, trusting the Holy Spirit’s help, while being careful not to go beyond what Scripture reveals about God’s nature. We should hold firmly to the biblical teaching of the Trinity and lovingly discern when others deny it.

    Discussion Questions:

    1. How does understanding the distinct roles of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in prayer change the way you approach God in your daily prayer life?
    2. Have you ever felt too broken or sinful to pray? How does Romans 8:26-27’s promise of the Spirit’s intercession encourage you in those moments?
    3. How would you lovingly respond to someone who claims to follow Jesus but denies the distinction of persons in the Trinity?

    Scripture Focus: John 16:13-15 (the Spirit glorifies the Son), Romans 8:15-27 (the Spirit’s intercession and our adoption), Hebrews 4:16 (boldly approaching God’s throne), Acts 7:55-60 (Stephen praying to Jesus), and 1 John 4:9-15 and 5:10-13 (confessing Jesus as the Son of God for salvation).

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    Introduction

    And we’re going to be talking again about the Trinity. This time we’re answering some of the questions that were posed. We got one question several times—several different people asked the same question. So I’m going to spend much of the time on that. I’m really only going to address like two or three questions.

    Actually, I didn’t get a lot of questions, which either means everybody understands the Trinity or no one does. One of those two. So anyway, after this hour, my prayer is that we all understand it just a little bit better. And again, if you have any questions after this that I couldn’t answer, you can come to me and we can talk about it then. But let’s approach the Lord now and ask his blessing on this lesson.

    Our gracious God, we just want to thank you for another chance we can come together and talk about your word and in particular talk about you, to know you better, to know the God that we serve, the God that created the universe and the God that saved us and called us to himself. I pray, God, that the words that I speak would be truthful, would be honorable, and they would shine more glory on your precious name and your character. And I ask this in Christ’s name. Amen.

    Okay. So, as you can see, I don’t have slides, but I will be sending out a list of all the scriptures that are used and any other references. So you’ll still have that so you don’t have to write every single thing down if it’s going to be a distraction to you actually listening and engaging.

    So the first thing I would say is we could turn to John 16. One of the biggest questions that came up and it was a practical one was about engaging with God, understanding that there is this Trinity and there’s this distinction of persons, and is there a way that we interact with the Holy Spirit that would be wrong or unwise to interact with the Father or the Son in that same way, particularly in talking about prayer.

    So I thought we would look at just a couple of things that Jesus said about the Holy Spirit, and then we’re going to talk about prayer in particular and especially who do we pray to. So in John 16 we’re going to look at verses 13-15. And if you have the pew Bible, it’s on page 1080.

    The Holy Spirit’s Role: Glorifying the Son

    John 16:13-15 says, “But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. For he will not speak on his own initiative, but whatever he hears, he will speak. And he will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify me, for he will take of mine and will disclose it to you. All things that the Father has are mine. Therefore, I said that he takes of mine and will disclose it to you.”

    Okay, let’s stop there. The first and I think the most important thing, at least for our discussion now, is we see in verse 14 that Jesus said one of the main jobs of the Holy Spirit when he comes is to glorify the Son. We also see in other places that he is to point to the Father and glorify the Father.

    “One of the main jobs of the Holy Spirit when he comes is to glorify the Son.”

    Roles Without Rank in the Trinity

    It’s interesting that we see Jesus saying that he must bring glory to the father, that the holy spirit will bring glory to the father, that the father glorifies the son, the spirit glorifies the son, but it’s never mentioned that the holy spirit is glorified in that way outside of just being a member of the triune God. But neither the father nor the son state that they come to bring glory to the holy spirit. And I think that’s one important thing to remember: it’s about role and rank. While there is no rank, there is no hierarchy in the trinity, there are roles.

    I think we can see that as well. I was talking to Dwayne a couple weeks ago. He mentioned how he’s had a lot of success in explaining the trinity to people by pointing to the two analogies that scripture gives: marriage and how there is unity and oneness with two distinct persons.

    It’s not exactly perfect, one of the main reasons being that we sin and there’s no sin that exists in the trinity. But also the body—1 Corinthians 12 in particular talks about the body of Christ. The same thing: this one organism moving as one for one purpose and one function, but each member having a different role in that.

    But that doesn’t put one over the other. So it’s just something to remember as we think about that. Just because the Holy Spirit is not being exalted in this way, and Jesus doesn’t say I have to give glory to the Holy Spirit, that doesn’t mean that he is lower in rank. There’s just distinct roles.

    “While there is no hierarchy in the Trinity, there are roles.”

    There are other things that we see here as well that we will work through as we talk. But in particular, he is the spirit of truth. He will guide us into all truth. And the Holy Spirit, because he is God, when he comes we are being ministered to by God and we are hearing from God. This isn’t an angel that’s coming. There isn’t a person like me that’s coming to deliver a message and I can easily fumble it and say wrong things and you don’t know how much of it you can trust. But this is God speaking to us. This is God ministering to us.

    Who Do We Pray To?

    One of the questions within that—like I said, this was the question that was most often repeated—was to whom should we pray? Should we pray to the Son, to the Father, to the Holy Spirit? So we just always say God in a way that includes them all in every sentence of our prayers. I want to look at a couple of things, but I would say that the model that we find in the New Testament is that we pray to the Father in the name of the Son through the Spirit.

    “We pray to the Father in the name of the Son through the Spirit.”

    Praying in the Spirit

    And we’ll look at each of those things and what they mean. First, in Ephesians 6:18, and I’m going to read these two fairly quickly, but Ephesians 6:18 says, “With all prayer and petition, pray at all times in the spirit.” And with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints. So we are to pray at all times in the spirit.

    Jude 1:20 says, “But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit.” So again, we see that the pattern of the Old Testament, and we’ll see that even about the sun, is that we are to pray in the spirit. And what does that mean?

    Ephesians 6:18: “Pray at all times in the Spirit.”

    The Spirit Helps Us Pray

    So it means that we pray with the help of the Holy Spirit, the enablement of the Holy Spirit, the empowerment of the Holy Spirit, to especially help us to honor God, to give him glory in our prayers, the Father and the Son. We’ll see how that works in a second. I see a couple of verses that actually say the same thing, but one word changes and kind of changes the meaning of it. The Holy Spirit will help us to pray correctly and effectively.

    There are a lot of times, especially I would say especially with new believers, but I’ve met people who have been saved longer than me who still struggle with prayer. It’s like, “I don’t know what to say. I don’t know even how to approach God or I don’t know how to approach him correctly.”

    Maybe they come from a background where you only speak to God in a very formal way, as if he’s grading your essay and you have to speak in this proper tone. And if you don’t, or worse, you’ll be irreverent. You can’t just speak in a normal way to God. And so they get tied up. “I don’t have that language. I don’t have that speech.”

    At the risk of offending certain people, I mentioned before I went to public school, so I don’t have all of those words. I can’t just grab them and sound majestic in my prayers. That’s just not who I am.

    If y’all if I start talking like that, y’all would look like, “What is he doing? What is he putting on an act? Why is he talking like that?” And I can’t tell you how many people speak like this, but then when they go to pray, especially in public, King James, and that’s it.

    “Thou, oh God, we beseech thee.” Oh, you can’t even define half the words you said. There’s no way you’re praying from your heart. But a lot of times we get stuck in that mindset and we don’t think we can, and the Holy Spirit is helping us to pray. So one thing I would say, just in your prayers, Acts.

    This isn’t a Sunday school about prayer. But if one of the things the Holy Spirit will do is to help us in these moments and make intercession for us and with us, we relax because we know God is in us crying out to God. And that should help us just speak, and he will even help us with the words. We’ll see in a second that even when we don’t know what to say, the Holy Spirit is there.

    “The Holy Spirit will help us to pray correctly and effectively.”

    The Spirit Cries Out ‘Abba, Father’

    A couple of verses point to what the Holy Spirit does in our prayer in particular: Galatians 4:6 and Romans 8:15. Just remember, I will be sending out all of the verses that I’m saying and their context as well. Don’t rush to turn to everything or write all the references down. You’ll get them in a couple days.

    Galatians 4:6 says, “Because you are sons, God has sent forth the spirit of his son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father.” Romans 8:15 says, “For you have not received a spirit of slavery, leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, Abba, Father.”

    I want you to notice a distinction here. In Galatians 4:6, it says that the spirit comes into our hearts and the spirit cries out Abba, Father. In Romans, it says that we’ve received this spirit and we cry out Abba, Father.

    So in one case, the Holy Spirit is doing the crying out, and in the next, we are doing the crying out. It’s stating the same thing: in your prayers, he will sometimes even give you the words to say or remind you of this relationship in particular—that God is now your Father, that he is not just some far off creator, but that he is a Father that you have an intimate relationship with. The Holy Spirit will remind you of that in your prayers, especially in moments when we feel broken because of our sin, that he is still our Father.

    “In your prayers, the Holy Spirit will remind you that God is your Father — especially when you feel broken by sin.”

    We don’t now come and say, “Okay, I’ve sinned. I displeased God.” I used to do that all the time. I wouldn’t go to God because I’m like, “Oh, I sinned. I yelled at someone yesterday or I cut somebody off.”

    Usually, I was saying to someone the other day—I don’t have a place in my mind when I yelled at someone like in their face, but you cut me off or no, you ain’t got to cut me off, just drive 40 in the fast lane and I’m like, “Come on, get out the way.” Like, I will go up a few octaves in decibels, but I’m not in that face, so it’s okay. But I may do that a couple of times, and I come and I do that on the way to church and they’re like, “Haulif, can you pray?”

    I don’t know. I was just sinning against somebody. I don’t know if I could pray now. That’s the mindset that we have.

    We do want to be careful and we don’t want to be flippant when we approach God. But we want to understand that the spirit of God is in us and will sometimes even give us the words and will cry out on our behalf or help us to cry out to God and remind us also that we’re coming to God and coming to our Father.

    So, making sure I line this up.

    Approaching God with Confidence

    In Hebrews 4:16, it tells us, “Therefore, let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in the time of need.” We went from being enemies of God to being brought into his family. We went from not being able to approach God at all to now being able to come to him at any time.

    It reminds me of the story of Esther where the king had issued an edict that you could not approach the king unless it was your appointed time or the king called you separate from your appointed time. There was a fear that if she went in to talk to him on behalf of her people, she may be killed because she approached him at that time. Similarly, we didn’t have a right to approach God unless we are repenting and begging for forgiveness of our sins. We didn’t have a right to approach God before we came to Christ.

    Now we not only have a right, we have the privilege, we have the honor of approaching God. We can approach our father at any time. All times we should be praying and talking to our father. And Hebrews says that we do it with confidence.

    Hebrews 4:16: “Let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace.”

    In the King James, it says with boldness. We can boldly approach the throne.

    And that is the way that we should be praying and talking to our father in this, knowing we’re talking to the sovereign creator of the universe who is our loving father who has an intimate relationship with us.

    The Spirit Intercedes in Our Weakness

    Now in Romans 8:26, and this verse will come up again. You can turn it. This verse will come up again when we talk about spiritual gifts. I think I’m teaching spiritual gifts—I’m not even sure—but if I am, this verse will come up again for sure because it’s one that has been kind of misapplied, I think, in many ways. And the misapplication of it causes us to miss the beauty of it and to miss what God is really promising us about the Holy Spirit.

    But Romans 8:26-27 says, “In the same way, the Spirit also helps our weakness, for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.” Verse 27, “And he who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because he intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.”

    So look at this promise here. There are times where we can be so beaten down and broken and depressed and discouraged. It could be because of a situation that we’re in. It could be because of our health or lack of resources or we lost someone dear to us or even because of our own sin.

    And these situations will have us not even knowing how to pray or what to pray or feeling that we can’t even lift our voice up to God. And in those moments, in those times, the Holy Spirit is praying on your behalf.

    “In those moments when you can’t even lift your voice to God, the Holy Spirit is praying on your behalf.”

    It doesn’t say that he’s giving you the words to pray. It doesn’t say that he’s moving you to go to prayer meeting. It says that the Holy Spirit himself is praying. He’s interceding for us with groanings too deep for words.

    And I won’t talk about how it’s been misapplied because that would take us in a totally different direction. But when we focus on these verses, this is the focus that we have: the Holy Spirit who will intercede for us and then we have the Son interceding for us as well.

    So we’re covered, right? I mean, in the simplest terms, we have the triune God praying for us within the Trinity itself.

    God’s ‘No’ as a Blessing

    And working out the things that are being prayed for because what’s being prayed for is according to the will of God. It’s not just the things that we want. There was a situation I was talking to my wife about this morning and saying, “I’m so glad that what we were praying for didn’t happen.”

    And this is real. Like we say that sometimes, right? But this is real. It was about a job. I went up for a promotion that would have been two steps above, and the person that came in and they gave the job to instead of me has been perfect for the job and has taken a lot of stress off of me.

    A lot of things have come into my life in the last month or so that has put so much stress and has become such a drain on our time, our energy and our emotions that it would have been impossible to do that job well.

    Not only that, we have someone else come in, so I don’t have to do the job, but I was doing the job anyway, kind of behind the scenes. You guys know how that works. And now I’m not even doing that anymore. So I still had a relief of stress from the job while all these things are going on so I can give my attention to them. And we were saying, just imagine if God had said yes to our prayers and other people who were praying for us at this time. Imagine how much more hectic things would be, how difficult our lives would be right now if God said yes.

    But the Holy Spirit, being God and knowing the will of God, interceded for me in that moment to get a no, and the no came and it’s been a great blessing.

    “The Holy Spirit, knowing the will of God, interceded for me to get a ‘no’ — and the ‘no’ has been a great blessing.”

    The Practical Impact of the Trinity

    I just want us to be encouraged. We’re talking about the trinity, but I want us to see how the doctrine of the trinity, or at least the workings of the trinity, have a practical impact in our lives. It’s not just getting a technical point right, but it’s understanding how God interacts with us.

    This is beautiful: the Holy Spirit comes and when we talk about the roles, the Holy Spirit teaches us and leads us into all truth. The Bible says in 1 John 2 that we have this anointing so that we don’t have to be taken away by false teachers. That’s the context there.

    Some people like to quote that when they don’t go to church at all and say, “Well, it says you don’t have need for a teacher.” But it’s talking there about being drawn away by these false teachers, by these apostates. But it says you don’t have to just accept it when someone says, “I’m your pastor.

    I’m one of the teachers, or I’m coming into town as an evangelist and I have this new message.” You don’t have to be swept away by that because the Holy Spirit will keep you grounded in his word.

    “It’s not just getting a technical point right — it’s understanding how God interacts with us.”

    Praying in the Name of Jesus

    In prayer we pray through the spirit, by the spirit we pray in the name of the son. We pray in the name of Jesus, and a lot of times that just comes—it’s kind of slapped on, “in the name of Jesus,” like whatever. And we just kind of say that at the end of our prayers.

    It’s just how you end: “in the name of Jesus. Amen.” A lot of times we—I’m very guilty of that. I’m saying “we” in a real sense, not saying “we” so I can talk about you guys, but in a real sense, I have to catch myself a lot.

    Just like, did I just throw that in? Did I just say that because I don’t know how to have a conversation? It’s awkward. You’re like, I don’t know how to end this conversation and just walk away. And like, “Yep, I’m praying in the name of Jesus.

    All right, thanks God.” And I could just step away now because I said the thing I need to say to end the prayer. But there are two things that are really kind of brought out in this phrase, “in the name of Jesus.”

    First, it means that we pray in light of what Jesus has done for us on the cross. So you pray in the name of Jesus because of what Jesus has done. We couldn’t even approach God in this prayer if it wasn’t for Jesus and his cross.

    And we could come boldly because he paid the price for our sins. We can stand before God as those who are righteous because Jesus lived a righteous life and then took his righteousness and put it on our account. So that now God looks at us as though we are righteous and interacts with us and treats us as though we are righteous, even in the middle of our sin.

    And I mean today as believers when we sin, God still looks at us and treats us as righteous. We have been redeemed.

    “We pray in the name of Jesus because we couldn’t even approach God if it wasn’t for Jesus and his cross.”

    So now we are the sons and daughters of God. And we could come boldly and we come in the name of Jesus, not in our own name, not because of our own works, not because of our own merit. We don’t come representing ourselves. I’m not coming in the name of Khalif. I’m coming in the name of Jesus. That mighty, matchless name, Jesus, the one who died for my sins. The one who saw me as an enemy and said that is going to be my friend.

    That is the name that we’re approaching God in. That is how we are praying. That is how our prayers should be encapsulated.

    In the Name of Jesus Means Alignment with His Word

    That I’m coming in the name of Jesus because of what he did. And second, it means that we’re praying in agreement with or in alignment with what Jesus said.

    The word of God. I’m coming now in the name. Now, many of us have seen like TV shows or movies. You’ll see like a police officer chasing somebody, especially older ones. I don’t know if they still continue this phrase much now. And they’ll say, “Stop in the name of the law.” They don’t say, “Stop because I’m Officer Bob.” They say, “Stop in the name of the law.” Right? You stop because I’m coming at you. I have this badge. I have this shield. And it represents the city or the county or whatever whoever has given me this authority.

    So in the name of is not only the authority and we do have authority as believers. We have authority over sin. We’re no longer slaves to sin but we now can master it. We can master our bodies. We’re not to let anything master us.

    And we are coming in as a representative in agreement with what Jesus said.

    “Praying in the name of Jesus means we are coming as a representative in agreement with what Jesus said.”

    So it calls for obedience. It calls for an understanding of the promises of the commands, the expectations of me, of my rights and my responsibilities as now a citizen of the kingdom of heaven.

    And we’re coming to God. We’re praying.

    Praying for God’s Will to Be Done

    And think about what’s typically called the Lord’s Prayer in Matthew 6. We’re praying that God’s will be done. And if that is our actual prayer, then we are praying in alignment with what the Bible says about everything that we should do. We’re praying for our enemies because we want God’s will to be done.

    If I’m praying in the name of Jesus, I’m praying for his will to be done even if it means I don’t get the promotion.

    Even if it means that healing doesn’t come in this life, right? It means that I am in agreement with what God is doing. And not only in agreement with it, I submit to it and I want to be a part of making it happen.

    “If I’m praying in the name of Jesus, I’m praying for his will to be done — even if it means I don’t get the promotion.”

    So we pray in the name of Jesus and we pray by or through the Spirit. And our prayer is typically directed to the Father.

    Can We Pray to the Son or the Spirit?

    And even though when the Bible points us to pray and we see the models of prayer, the Father is the one we’re typically praying to, that doesn’t mean we can’t pray to the Holy Spirit or pray to the Son.

    “That doesn’t mean we can’t pray to the Holy Spirit or pray to the Son.”

    I think of Stephen and I noted this down in Acts 7. It’s all of Acts 7 and even a little bit of Acts 8 where Stephen is being martyred and actually you could turn to Acts 7.

    It might be good to note it’s page 196 in the Pew Bible.

    Stephen’s Prayer Reveals the Trinity

    Stephen is being martyred for his faith. At the end of the chapter, they take him out and begin to stone him basically because he’s calling them out, calling them sinners, and saying you sinned in the same way your fathers have sinned against God.

    It’s interesting here because in verse 51 he mentions the Holy Spirit and he says, “You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit. You are doing just as your fathers did.” Then in verses 55 and 56 he talks about the Son. He says, being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

    So right there he has mentioned the Trinity just in a few short verses, and we’ll talk about kind of why that’s important in a second, but I just want to point that out. In verse 59 he prays to Jesus. He says they went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”

    The Father was right there. He saw him. He literally got a vision of heaven for that moment and saw the Father seated on his throne and the Son by his right side, and he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” God didn’t come down and say, “I you prayed to the wrong person. You didn’t pray to the Father. I’m sitting here and you’re going to pray to the Son?” No. The prayer went to Jesus and it was fine. Jesus is God.

    “Stephen called out, ‘Lord Jesus, receive my spirit’ — and God didn’t say he prayed to the wrong person. Jesus is God.”

    We also don’t want to get so caught up in the nuances that we become rigid. I won’t say legalistic here because it’s not really about salvation, but we just don’t want to become so rigid and dogmatic that we miss the blessing of the Holy Spirit and of Jesus because we’re like, “Oh, we didn’t pray to the Father.” Now we don’t want to thank the Father for dying on the cross.

    Just like we don’t want to become sloppy in our prayers because we’re like, “Oh, they’re all interchangeable in these roles and in the way they function.” You don’t want to because you just want to be mindful in your prayers. But if you do, I don’t think lightning is going to come and strike you.

    But you do want to be mindful. You want to be involved in your prayer mentally. If you’re thanking a member of the Trinity for doing something, make sure that it’s a member of the Trinity that’s doing it, or it could just be the Godhead himself doing it.

    The Trinity Revealed Naturally in Scripture

    And why I said it was important that he mentioned the trinity here was because it’s one of these things, and I said two weeks ago where one of the objections that we usually get is the word trinity is not in the Bible. We talked about that some last week where the trinity is just a collection of doctrines all related to the identity of God. We just see what does the Bible say about God, and then put it together and we just gave it a name for shorthand rather than trying to describe the whole trinity.

    When you want to say one thing, just “trinity”—all right, I know what you’re talking about. So it’s just a shorthand way of describing this collection of doctrines that are all taught in the Bible. So that’s not a real objection.

    But we see here, and I think it’s really great whenever the Bible shows us something without that being the main point. Stephen didn’t say, “Before I die, let me just slip in a doctrine of the trinity real fast.” Right? He’s praying to Jesus. He told them that he saw the father, and he scolded them a few verses earlier for not listening to the Holy Spirit. He mentions all members of the Godhead, and it wasn’t even his point to talk about. He didn’t know 2,000 years later we will be examining his words talking about the trinity.

    So this and other places where we see that it always gives me great confidence when it’s not the Bible setting out to make an argument and you say, “Oh, the author just had an axe to grind or he just had this thing that he wanted to say.” So every time he could, he would slip in the words. He was slipping the doctrine of the trinity there.

    But outside of him, you don’t see it. No, you see all the time anyone who’s engaging with God in the Bible. When they identify—even the angel of the Lord in the Old Testament will be identified with the second person of the Trinity, the son of God—they’re not doing that to prove a distinct point about the nature of God in that moment. But it’s still being revealed to us. And that’s what we’re putting together to get this doctrine.

    “It always gives me great confidence when the Trinity appears in Scripture without anyone trying to prove a point about it.”

    And even with the Holy Spirit, many of us pray to the Holy Spirit. Anytime I’m going to approach the Bible, I pray to the Holy Spirit to help me to understand the truths of scripture because that’s one of his jobs—to lead us into all truth, to guide us, to illuminate scripture so we can understand it better for ourselves. And if I’m ever going to teach, I need the Holy Spirit to be with me if I’m going to ever speak on behalf of God. And so I pray directly to the Holy Spirit that he would come and that he would fill me, that he would teach me, he would correct me.

    And so the Bible doesn’t say you can’t pray to those, but the normal typical pattern of the New Testament is that we pray to the father in the name of the son through or by the spirit.

    I tried to answer the other question kind of embedded in this: Should Christians relate differently at all to the different members of the Trinity? Like I said, I think only as much as it’s revealed in scripture, but we don’t want to go beyond that. We don’t want to start going into our relationships and picturing those things, especially the fathers here.

    You don’t want to say, “As a father, I relate to my son like this, so this must be what it’s like in the Trinity, and so this is how I need to view them.” And if that alters how you engage with the father or engage with the son, then make sure that you get that out and only do what the Bible says.

    This is a very difficult topic to understand because it goes beyond anything else we have in creation—the nature of God. And so the simplest way we can understand it is just to take what scripture says only. And so there’s a lot of questions, and I’m glad those questions didn’t come that I would not be able to answer because the Bible doesn’t state it. And I can get up here with every philosophy that I want, but it would not be the word of God. And if you want to hear my opinion, ask me on a Tuesday somewhere on the street, but not while I’m teaching here.

    You can ask my opinion while I’m here, but know that it’s not the word of God or anything close to that.

    But we do want to make sure that we don’t go beyond scripture. And that’s with what we say, but also our fears. We don’t want to put a fear on ourselves or a limitation on ourselves that scripture does not require.

    Do You Need to Believe in the Trinity to Be Saved?

    Here’s another big one, and this is a big question that I have gone back and forth with over time. Do you need to believe in the Trinity to be saved?

    And kind of within that, what is enough to believe about the Trinity? How much do you need to understand exactly to be saved, if anything at all? And then what about the Old Testament saints who didn’t have all of this revealed in the same way?

    “Do you need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? How much do you need to understand to be saved?”

    Old Testament Saints and the Trinity

    The Old Testament definitely supports the doctrine of the Trinity. Two weeks ago when we looked at the Trinity, we spent time in the Old Testament as well. We didn’t look at this one, but even Psalm 110 where it says Yahweh says to my Lord and goes on with that, right?

    I mean, and this is why I think I was talking about that legacy standard Bible because it makes it clear here that there’s a distinction in creation itself. Seeing that the Bible attributes creation in many places, but particularly in 1 John to the son, we see that the father was there in creation and that the spirit was there in creation as well. We looked at Genesis 1:1-2, or even later on in Genesis when they’re creating humanity and saying “let us make man in our image,” and the result was male and female.

    Even then we see the trinity in this plural language, and also in the result of humanity being crafted in the image of God—two genders that come together as one.

    Or even in the Tower of Babel that we looked at where he says, “Come, let us go down and confuse their language.” That’s Genesis 11. You see here again this plural language that God is using, the Trinity is using in the Old Testament.

    Now, it’s hard to imagine that every Old Testament believer was so aware of the Trinity that they all saw this God in three persons as we describe it now and worshiped him in that way. Just from what we see revealed in the Old Testament, it’s hard to get that and assume that everyone did. But I think we’ve seen in other places and with other doctrine that there are even times when the New Testament says that the writers of the Old Testament didn’t fully understand everything that they were writing.

    Those things would be revealed more as God came and revealed them and came in the flesh. Even the writers of the New Testament after Jesus ascended into heaven were writing things and pulling the Old Testament and saying this was the fullness of what was written there or this was the purpose of the law. It was a tutor to bring you to a point where you knew you could not obey Christ fully.

    So we see these things, and I think that the only conclusion we can draw, at least from the Bible that the Bible reveals to us, is that as much as was revealed to these people, they were required to believe that about God.

    “As much as was revealed to these people, they were required to believe that about God.”

    Now, that’s different, and I just want to make it clear. It’s different than someone saying, “Well, this person grew up all their life and they never heard the gospel, but they knew that there were bees and the sky and everything should be worshiped. They started worshiping the creation because they knew there was something bigger and greater than them out there. Does that mean they were saved because they never heard the gospel but they responded to the things that were greater? They knew there was something out there.” No, that’s very different.

    When we’re talking about Old Testament saints, we’re talking about people who worshiped Yahweh. We’re talking about people who anticipated the coming of the Messiah. They anticipated that God would send one that would redeem them and that would pay the price of their sins. They performed these sacrifices in anticipation of the future once and for all sacrifice.

    That’s very different than someone worshiping the trees and the river because they didn’t hear the full gospel in their life. Those are two very different things. We’re now just talking about those being saved because God revealed many things to them, but they didn’t know that one day in the future people would be indwelt permanently by the Holy Spirit.

    Encountering Modalism

    And because they didn’t know that they couldn’t be saved. That’s what we’re making a distinction of. As far as those in the New Testament and I, to those quick when I first came across this doctrine and when I say the term modalism people may already know what that is I was at a church and I was playing it wasn’t a concert but I remember it was set up kind of like this but the music was all right there so we’re like five feet away from whoever’s preaching and at that time the musicians all stayed on the instruments during the preaching.

    So I’m sitting there on the keyboard and the guy the preacher comes and he says, “Now we all know that Jesus is the son of God.” I’m like, “Yeah, okay.” Then he said, “And we all know that Jesus is the father.” And I’m like, “Oh man, he misspoke there. I hope he catches himself.” Then he said, “And we all know that Jesus is the Holy Spirit.” And I’m like, “What?” And then he said one other thing that I don’t remember.

    And then I just said that’s it. I walked out and I had to get up and leave the pulpit area and walk past the church fit five hundred people. So it wasn’t like this intimate setting. I had to walk what was like the longest hallway. Have y’all ever saw a poltergeist where the hallway just kept getting longer as they walked? That’s what it felt like walking down there. I need to get out of this place because they all saying amen.

    Nobody else was shocked. I walked out and I was playing with my friends and they all came out. “You okay? What’s wrong?” I don’t even know if cell phones existed back then or not. So they couldn’t have thought I’ve got a call, but it was like, what happened? Are you okay? What’s going on? You sick?

    And I’m like, did y’all hear what he said? I just repeated what he said. And one of them said, “Oh, you’re a trinitarian.”

    And I was like, “A what? I didn’t even know that was a thing. I’m a Christian. I thought that came with it. That’s like going to someone and be like, ‘You breathe in oxygen? You’re one of those?’ Like, what? I didn’t know there was any other option besides a Christian who believed the Trinity. Like, I didn’t know that.”

    That was a distinction I had to make with my friends who I was playing with for several years. Like, we done played through all the tri-state area. I done preached in their churches, did all that. I’m like, I didn’t know y’all believe this.

    And then for about a year, we just it just led to a series of debates, friendly loving debates, but we just debated every time. And so much so that my one friend said, “I believe like you’ve proven it, but I grew up in this and so I can’t leave this.” We just refer to them as Jesus only churches and bless you.

    The way they will look at scripture and try to put this together at least in a very simplistic way. There’s more nuance than this, but they’ll say he was the father in creation, that he was the son during the earthly ministry, even through the cross and resurrection, and he is the spirit in us all now.

    “I didn’t know there was any other option besides a Christian who believed the Trinity.”

    And they would look at verses like John 10:30 that says, “I and my father are one.” And I’m like, well, obviously, okay, Jesus and the father are one. And then when I would point out things, but look at literal conversations they’re having.

    Jesus is saying, “Not my will, but your will be done.” When he’s in the garden, look at Jesus being baptized. Look at even the plural language in the Old Testament and the angel of the Lord. And all of this just all of these different things we will point to.

    And he said one of them said I have to stay in this. The other his sister developed a crush on me because she said oh no one’s ever challenged me like this. Well then leave it then. So fun fact that’s how me and Sherenne got together because we were friends and she poured out her heart to Sherenne and once Sherenne heard that she was like I got to get him. Hey, you can ask her. It happened.

    But this was the first time that I met people who were passionate about God pull out their hearts, their whole lives was about ministry, was about serving, not just because they played and we enjoyed doing music together, but it was about like serving and going out and we got to feed the homeless and doing this stuff. And they would make true stands. And whenever they got into relationships, they’re just like, “Yep, I’m abstinent.

    I don’t if I’m not married, not having sex.” And like they would take these things like even affecting their behavior. And I’ll have to look and say, “Are you saved? Are you like, is it possible that they’re not believers?” And I went back and forth a lot about that.

    Ultimately, they concluded that they were not and then kind of thought about it more as I got older and weren’t in touch with it anymore. Like maybe they were and maybe it is possible to not have this understanding. And then it was John Piper had a discourse with someone and he said this thing that just stuck with me that look at First John and when you look at First John and First John was written what for a couple reasons, but one of the main ones was to equip the believers who were under his care to be able to recognize false teachers.

    He gave them the true gospel. And that’s why you have these strong statements. It’s like, if someone doesn’t love his brother, he doesn’t love God. He doesn’t know God. Because he’s making it clear these people coming in. Watch the way that they move and they act. They’re not loving. They’re coming and they’re coming with this heavy hand over you and to be your leaders. And they’re teaching you things that are different than the gospel that you first heard and you first learned.

    And in that he describes salvation.

    1 John: Jesus as the Son of God

    And every time, or many times, when he talks about salvation he points to Jesus not just as God but as the Son of God.

    His sonship is important that he keeps pointing it out. I read a few. If you want to turn to 1 John you can. I’ll be going kind of quick through these. 1 John 4:9 is going to be the first one.

    1 John 4:9 says, “In this, the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only son into the world so that we might live through him.” Then go down to verse 15. Whoever confesses that Jesus is the son of God, God abides in him.

    You need to know that. We’re going to look at a couple others, but listen here. He doesn’t just say whoever thinks Jesus is divine, whoever thinks that the gospel is true. He says whoever confesses that Jesus is the son of God. He is constantly pointing at Jesus’s sonship as part of this understanding of the gospel, understanding of who God is. The triune God is understanding Jesus as the son.

    1 John 4:15: “Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him.”

    1 John 5:10 says whoever believes in the son of God has a testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar.

    Verse 11. This is the testimony that God gave us eternal life and this life is in his son.

    1 John 5:13, I write these things to you who believe in the name of the son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

    The Difficulty of Denying Someone’s Faith

    Each time in these passages he mentions salvation. He points to Jesus being the son. It’s very difficult for me then to look at someone who does not acknowledge that and say yes, you are a believer.

    Now I’ll admit it’s very difficult for me to look in the face of these people who are serving who they serve more than people who have a more orthodox view of the trinity.

    And there are people who you see their hearts and you see what motivates them to do things and say, “You don’t love God. You don’t know God. You don’t have the love of God in you.” That’s difficult for me as well. But that’s more of me making a judgment call.

    And sometimes we have to do or say difficult things. But when we look at what scripture says, the more difficult thing is for me to take someone who is separating Jesus from what the Bible says about him and inventing someone else and declaring that Jesus is the father and Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

    “It’s difficult to look at someone who separates Jesus from what the Bible says about him and call them a believer.”

    So when Jesus said he’s sending the Holy Spirit, what was he saying? He didn’t say, “I’ll come back to you and just take on a different form. I’ll come back to you and be invisible this time.” He didn’t say that. He said, “I’m going to send the comforter.”

    So what was he saying then? In looking at that, I do believe for Old Testament saints who all this wasn’t revealed to, but they believed everything that God said about himself, they’re believers.

    For those who have a more full picture of God revealed and deny some of those aspects of God, ones that John said you have to acknowledge, I can’t call them believers. I can’t call them brothers.

    And that makes me sad. That isn’t me gloating and saying, “I got something you don’t. You’re not smart.” That makes me sad to think that.

    Don’t Go Beyond Scripture

    I do think that with the Trinity there are so many things that we have not said that go beyond the scope of what we’re talking about here—understanding what we teach and believe at Calvary about different doctrines. The most important thing I can say is don’t go beyond the Bible and let the Bible speak. There are so many other things that we could look at and discuss, things that we’re thinking about. For instance, is there rank? Is there hierarchy? The Bible doesn’t say that, but we can say, “Oh, but in these relationships, we do see it,” or we like to think we do. Don’t do that.

    Don’t make the analogies and don’t say it’s like the sun is ice and the spirit is the vapor and the father is the water and they are all different parts at different times, because that’s really modalism. He was the father and he was the son and then he transforms into the spirit when he needs to be. On the cross, I don’t know what was happening because now you’re just jumping back and forth. You’re going up to heaven and pouring out some wrath and then racing down to the cross, jumping on it so the wrath falls on you when you come. I don’t even know what that looks like.

    It’s like some Bugs Bunny type stuff.

    That’s what we end up doing when we go beyond what scripture says or we try to fit God in the box of our own mind.

    “Don’t go beyond the Bible. That’s what we end up doing when we try to fit God in the box of our own mind.”

    And God has to operate the way that I can picture it and think as if we’re God and nothing can exist that’s bigger than this.

    The Wrath of God Belongs to the Whole Godhead

    And one other quick note that I want to say is talking about the wrath of God. The Bible many times when it points to what happened at the exact moment on the cross, you had the father, son, and spirit all operating differently. It’s sometimes easy to fall into the idea that the father had all this wrath stored up like an angry dad and he just wanted to wipe out humanity.

    And this is what he was doing in the Old Testament sometimes is the argument, and he just wanted to continue with that.

    But his son stepped in and said, “Dad, no, I’ll take the penalty this time. Don’t continue to be so harsh on them. I’ll step in and I’ll take the penalty.” And so it’s not just the father who has this wrath. Jesus hates our sin just as much as the father and as much as the holy spirit. Even the ones who are making intercession for us as sinners, indwelling us as sinners. They hate sin just as much. The wrath the father was pouring out was the wrath of God.

    The triune God, the Godhead’s wrath against our sin.

    So we have to just make sure that we have that understanding because again, it’s very easy to slip into that. And then when you go from there, it’s well, they have different minds and they have different wills and one just had to submit to the other. Then we go to this idea that it could easily take us into heresy.

    From a simple misunderstanding in year one, five years from now we could really be saying some things that are really against what the Bible says. So that is one thing that we have to make sure that we get right: this wrath that was poured out against sin was the wrath from the Godhead, from the triune God. And it was not just the father who had that role because the son was receiving that wrath on behalf of humanity.

    “The wrath poured out against sin was from the Godhead, the triune God — not just the Father alone.”

    Q&A and Closing

    That’s the last thing that I wanted to say. We have like five minutes for questions as long as you’re not trying to trip me up with anything. If you have any questions at all, if you don’t, I do see one hand. If you don’t, you can always come to me after, email me, anything like that. I’ll also say there will be a Q&A with the elders next month, and that’s when you can ask the harder questions because I can make Greg answer those.

    Glenda, what would you like to say?

    In his service.

    The pastor came with his father at one time.

    You must in the beginning.

    I believe.

    Yeah. It’s amazing how that can hide because you don’t talk about that every day, and it’s usually when they—I don’t know what the preacher was talking about in my case—that he felt the need to declare that to a church that already believed. I don’t know why he said that. But I guess in the same thing when you guys knew what it was, it sounds like your husband distinctly said, “I’m going to make sure I preach the truth,” and they hear the truth, and so that’s really commendable, especially in places like that because they get really aggressive sometimes with what they believe.

    Is there anyone else? Yes, sir.

    Oh, that’s good. So the question is, would you pray with someone who is oneness or Jesus only or believes modalism? That is, I think it depends on the relationship.

    I think what I would do with my those friends if they came back around and wanted to pray, I would say, “Well, we think differently. Do we still think differently about this? Because this is who I’m praying to, and it depends kind of on the interaction I think I would have with them.” But anyone I didn’t know so well, I wouldn’t. I’m really careful. Even when people say I want to pray for you and stuff, I’m like, “Nah, don’t be talking to your demons for me,” like I don’t know you. So I’m really careful about that.

    And so I would say mostly I would want to just say no. Like, don’t pray. You’re never dishonoring God by being careful.

    Even if you’re being a little overly cautious in that and you get to heaven and God just says, “Hey, what? That one day it would have been okay if you prayed with them.” Okay. But I’d rather err on that side of caution and make sure that they are, because they could also be just bad at kind of explaining the idea, and some of them may not even be so entrenched in that belief. Mike Affirmation.

    And that’s just someone that’s already a brother.

    Yeah.

    Yeah, great points. And so we hit 10 o’clock and I want to be mindful of that, especially if there needs to be like a sound check or something. I don’t want to encroach on that time. So I saw there were two hands at least, Arthur and Tony. If you can come talk to me after. And so let’s just close our Sunday school with a prayer.

    Closing Prayer

    A gracious God, we want to thank you for this time now. God, we thank you for clarity that your word brings. We thank you, God, that you even show us through your word that who you are is bigger than we can imagine.

    And Lord, that gives us comfort. It gives us comfort to know that you are so big, you can’t fit in our minds. We can’t just relegate you to what we can imagine.

    That you are not like the idols of the world that were fashioned by man’s hands and man’s imaginations. But you are the creator of all, Father, Son, and Spirit. All creating, all working in salvation, all working in our sanctification, and all bringing us to glorification.

    We thank you God that you are one and that we can know you. And I pray God for the rest of our time together, our fellowship, our service, the preaching, the singing that all of it will exalt your name and bring us closer to you and allow us Lord to even love each other with a greater love. And I ask all

  • The Homes of Ethnos 360

    The Homes of Ethnos 360

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    Summary

    This lesson provides an update on the ministry of Ethnos 360 (formerly New Tribes Mission), focusing on the retirement homes in Sanford, Florida, and how every part of the mission organization works together as a team. We are reminded that caring for retired missionaries is not peripheral to the Great Commission—it directly enables field workers to stay on the field, fulfills biblical mandates to care for widows and saints, and extends the kingdom through prayer and practical service.

    Key Lessons:

    1. Ministry is a team effort—pilots, teachers, IT workers, housekeepers, and retirees all play vital roles in getting the gospel to unreached peoples.
    2. Caring for aging missionaries is a biblical mandate rooted in hospitality, provision for widows, and honoring those who have devoted their lives to the Lord’s work.
    3. Retired missionaries continue to advance the kingdom through prayer, translation work, volunteering at headquarters, and offering experienced counsel to younger workers.
    4. Volunteers and supporters are essential to sustaining the ministry, and every act of service—from cleaning rooms to pouring concrete—contributes to the global mission.

    Application: We are called to see missions as an interconnected body where every role matters, to consider how we can practically support missionaries in all stages of life, and to pray for staffing needs at ministry organizations like the Ethnos 360 homes.

    Discussion Questions:

    1. How does our view of “real missionary work” need to expand to include support roles like maintenance, IT, housekeeping, and elder care?
    2. What responsibility do local churches have toward missionaries who are aging and retiring with limited financial resources?
    3. In what practical ways could our church body volunteer or support organizations that care for retired missionaries?

    Scripture Focus: Matthew 28:19-20 (the Great Commission and the word “ethnos” for all nations); 1 Corinthians 16:15-16 (the household of Stephanus ministering to the saints); 1 Timothy 5 (caring for widows and honoring those who serve).

    Outline

    Introduction

    School. Today we are welcoming our guests, Brian and Susan Shortmire, kingdom workers with Ethnos 360, formerly New Tribes Missions. We supported the Short Meers for about 20 years, I think. And out of their 26 ministry years, is that the right number?

    26.

    Okay. Wow.

    Okay. Wow. So 26 while they were in Papa Nagini and then another 15 in various leadership and administrative roles in the US. So, we’ve gotten to support them for part of that and we continue to support them. Most re most most recently, Brian has served as the executive director of the homes of Ethnos 360, the residential community for retired missionaries in Sanford, Florida. Brian is going to give us an update on the Ethnos 360 ministry during our Sunday school hour today. And so, we thank you, Brian, and please come and take it away.

    Good morning.

    From New Jersey to Papua New Guinea

    Okay. As pastor said, we’ve been, moving around for a while. We took I actually I’m from I’m here from I’m from central Jersey. I grew up in Warren and then I Oh, I’m too loud.

    Oh, let’s just in case here, let me take this out. I don’t want that it’s horrible if the preacher stone even rings, right? Okay.

    Well, I grew up in Warren and then, I was attending a church in Scatoaway, went into training with what was then called New Tribes Mission, and that’s where I met Susan. She’s from southern New Jersey outside of Philly and we met in Pennsylvania in the training with new transmission and while there we started dating, got engaged, got married and as we were what we were thinking was there going to be a last semester in the training at the place where we were at thinking we’re going to get ready to go on to language school.

    We found out both Susan was pregnant and that then we got a letter from the field of Papa New Guinea saying man with your background with your with your college degrees with your background in math and and science Susan’s in business admin and secretarial skills we’d love to have you at the school for missionaries children.

    It’s like okay it’s not what we were thinking but we said well is that how we can best serve the team to get the the work done? Said, “Yes, that’s where we need you the most.” So, we agreed to do that. Our daughter Heather was born at in Overlook Hospital up in Summit and six weeks later, we took off to fly to Papa New Guinea and that was in 1984.

    “Is that how we can best serve the team to get the work done? ‘Yes, that’s where we need you the most.’”

    We went at the we went to the school and I was teaching in high school math and science and then two years later because of someone needing to leave because of a medical condition all of a sudden I was a high school principal.

    It’s like oh okay but I love teaching and the the role as principal just seemed to be a great fit. They asked me to do that permanently.

    Field Administration and Transition Home

    So on our first furlow, I came back decided needed to work in my master’s in educational administration and I said well if I’m going to be an educational leader I should have some credentials that justify that. So got that and I served there until about 2000 in that capacity. I was also helping with regional leadership at the time.

    Yeah, Papa Guina is the largest field that new transmission works in in terms of the number of people, the number of tribes and all that and so and but it’s also a very very rugged country. It’s difficult to get around a lot of mountains in the up there in the highlands which is where we were at but also down in the lowlands, swamps, rivers and all that. In fact, the capital port Morsby on the southern coast, well, it was put there by Australia who administered the country, but you can’t get to it from any place else.

    You want to get to the capital, you have to fly or take a boat around the country, right? There’s a few towns on the northern coast that you can reach and one road that goes from the northern coast snaking through up into the highlands, which is where we were at.

    “Papua New Guinea is the most ethnolinguistically diverse country in the world.”

    Well, because of the geography of the country, it’s been divided into regions, at least for our missionary work. And I was helping with the administration for the region that I was in up in the highlands and well about 2000 they said when you come back from furlow, we really appreciate what you’ve done in the school. We’d like you now take that administrative and apply it to the field.

    So like, okay. So in 2000 when I came back I became the field administrator for new transmission papu nu guinea did that for 10 years and we felt that the lord was leading us back this way we gave about little unusual we gave three years notice and because my intent was I really don’t want to leave until there’s someone that we’ve trained to replace us so I was looking for my replacement Susan as well actually was a little easier to find hers than mine. All right. So, we came back here at the end.

    We left there in December 2010. Got back here, moved back to this to New Jersey.

    And then, 20 in March 2011, we went down to Sanford, Florida, and I wasn’t sure what I was going to be doing there.

    Stateside Leadership Roles

    I had some ideas. I got down there said, “Well, we don’t want to scare you and tell you this, but we want you on the US executive committee.” I was like, “Oh, okay.” so then I became the chief administrative officer for New Transmission USA.

    Now back in 2006 what had been New Transmission overseeing everything happening throughout the world with the missionaries. In 2006, the organization decided to decentralize and so the USA was no longer in leadership over Canada and Australia and the UK and Brazil and Indonesia and on and on and on. So each of them became their own separate entity but obviously working together, cooperating together.

    “In 2006, the organization decided to decentralize so each country became its own separate entity, working together.”

    We have a global ministries agreement.

    You can say kind of like a constitution something like that. It’s like okay this is what we believe. This is our doctrine. These are our goals. These are our training methods. This is how we’re going to interact and function together so we’re all on the same page.

    So whether our missionaries get trained in the UK or in the US or in Germany or some other place, they might be able to work together as a team wherever they go. And that’s not uncommon for us to find teams with, oh, we’ve got one American and one German and one from New Zealand. Working together.

    And in some of our countries, particularly in Brazil, majority of the missions there are no longer Americans at all.

    And actually, very few European, very few Europeans, majority of our missionaries are now are Brazilians who’ve gone through all the training and now are seeking to reach the tribes in their own country, which is great.

    Becoming Director of the Retirement Homes

    That’s what we’ve wanted all along. So in any event came back here 2011 joined the US executive committee and that was a great great job. I enjoyed it. But about 2020 all know what happened. COVID hit and the man who had been the director of our retirement center. He had been struggling with major headaches, debilitating headaches after a car accident he had for decades.

    And doctors can never find out why. And they’d even he’d even had things inserted in his body and electronic probes under the skin in his forehead to try to overstimulate the nerves to cut off the pain. And none of that ever worked. And he was really going downhill with his health and he needed replaced.

    And I said at the time, well COVID has really cut my ministry a lot.

    I’m not traveling like I had been around the US, the various places. I’ll do it.

    I’ll step in and handle that while I’m doing what I had been doing as CEO because I right now with CO, I don’t have a lot. And I’ll keep looking for a replacement for a director of the homes.

    Well, after a few months, I thought, Lord, okay, I think you’re having me say what, I want to step off the US executive committee, especially make room for pe younger people, right? And I think I should just stay here at the homes. And though the rest of the board was kind of sad about that, they agreed that that was probably the best thing to do. So, I’ve been there for for five years now.

    “I think you’re having me step off the executive committee and make room for younger people.”

    Some of by reading our prayer letters though I stepped off the the board and the guy that replaced me for a while was only there a little more than a year and a half had to leave and I stepped so instead of being on the board and helping at the homes now I was on the homes helping back at the board again step back on for year and a quarter. That’s all finished as of last December. So now I’m just the director at the homes and no longer the US executive committee but it’s been a great place to work.

    Now that’s the evolution of our how we got to where we’re at. So I wanted to just give you that background because like I said we were in Papa Nigini for 26 years which is the country is the most ethnol linguistically diverse country in the world. Okay.

    So rugged there’s a lot of places where they don’t well a lot of people a lot of tribes fight with their neighboring tribes. That’s one of the place in the world where you used to hear about cannibalism. Yeah, it was there. So people used to think, oh, if I eat my enemy, then I’ll gain his strength.

    All right. So again, a lot of really wrong beliefs there. But it’s also a great country in terms of it’s being open the to the to missionaries, religious workers to go in plant churches. But in order for us to keep one guy in or one team in a tribe, it is so much work because again, you can’t like, oh my my generator broke down.

    Well, you there’s nobody you call around the corner because there is no corner. A lot of the places are no roads. Our missionaries live where they either had to build a small airirstrip or helicopter come in because it’s just so isolated. And you’ll see a little bit more of that later, Lord willing.

    But any event, this is where we’re at now, the homes. And this is what you’d see. We are in Sanford, Florida, which is about a half hour north of Orlando.

    And we’re about 30 miles from the ocean. So even though yes, there are hurricanes in Florida, we get some high winds and we get some rain, but we don’t really get hurricanes that go over us. So we’re very grateful for that. It’s always great idea to follow Disney. He knew what he was doing, where he was going when he built that place and he picked a good place in Central Florida. Okay, this is what you’d see as you came to our property. Come in there and this is an aerial view. We’re about 40 acres here. Okay. And the let’s see.

    Yes. So, you’d come in off the it doesn’t show up there. There’s a road and along the top at Celery Avenue.

    Then you come in and there’s a road that goes all the way around the property called Nations Boulevard. Okay. And that first if you turn right on Nations, then you’ve got the place where our staff live and then all the rest are culde-sacs with duplexes placed around them. Now, before I go on, you might say, “Wait a minute.

    Why the Homes Exist

    Why do you even have that? Well, back in the 70s and 80s, our mission leadership was looking at our population of missionaries, those that had gone out, some in the 40s and 50s and 60s who had been retiring with no money and nowhere to go. Because back in the early days, retirement planning was definitely not part of the missionary mindset.

    In fact if you went to a church in the 60s or 50s and told them that, oh, well, part of their support you’re raising is to go towards your future retirement planning, that church probably even wouldn’t have supported you, thinking that you weren’t spiritual enough and that what, how dare you waste the Lord’s money by saving it. That all changed. That whole idea has changed and now churches are just the opposite. You better have a retirement plan because we don’t want to be responsible for you until you die.

    All right? Have something that you’re saving. So, that’s part of it. But in the 70s and 80s, as our leadership was considering this, they’re going, we have a lot of people that did go out in those early years. We started in 42 and they don’t have much.

    “You’ve devoted your life to the Lord—when your active ministry is done, you’re not getting tossed to the side.”

    They come back and they’re not sure where they’re going to go. Be really great for us to have a retirement community for them to go to that if they don’t have much here’s a place you’ve devoted your life you’re giving your life to the Lord and when you’re active ministry is done you’re not getting tossed to the side you’ve given your life what how what can we help how can we help so this place was developed with that idea to be able to provide lowcost housing for missionaries to retire at Now, we’re going to keep going here because some of these things will be more explained as we go around, but in the lower right hand corner, there’s an RV park. You can’t see all of that right now.

    We have 51 duplex buildings, which gives us 102 residents, and then there’s staff houses and all the rest.

    The Property and Duplex Living

    Now, this is the front yard of a duplex, and you can see the two different entrances.

    We do all the maintenance.

    We the housing, the landscaping, the land, the roads. We’re the, as far as the city of Sanford’s cons concerned, we’re responsible for our own roads and driveways and sidewalks and all of that.

    Here’s a typical bedroom. Sorry, typical living room. People can furnish it however they want. As a matter of fact, they also, as they’re moving in, they choose paint color for the walls and floors and all that.

    Small kitchen. Not you’re not going to be preparing a meal for 40 in there, but for a for a single or a couple, it’s fine.

    Typical bedroom.

    Every duplex has a lenai outback, a covered screen porch in the back there for people to sit and relax, which is used a lot October through April. Why wouldn’t it be used the rest of the year?

    Florida can be hot and humid. So, but, this time of year right now, it’s beautiful down there. So, if any of you want to come for a visit, October through April, that’s the time to come.

    But I also know a lot that’s during school year, so it’s difficult.

    And each duplex also has a carport, so your car is just not sitting there baking in the sun.

    “People can furnish it however they want and choose paint color for the walls and floors.”

    Now, we have retention ponds, which you might have never seen in that original picture. There are that I showed you from the overhead. Well, we’ve got that’s required by law there in Florida. You’ve got retention ponds and sometimes they do get alligators in them, but if anything gets like over five feet or so, then you call the wildlife commission, they come and take it.

    Otherwise, they’re just interested in the little fish and stuff and reptiles and things that might be in the water. They don’t bother us. We don’t bother them. We just stay away, right? But we have paths that connect not only the outside road on the outside, but then all those culde-sacs aimed towards the center and then we have little sidewalks that connect around around the inside as well and around the retention ponds and places.

    So you see a lot of people out there re walking or riding bicycles.

    That’s again another now the same shot from the air from the view from the from overhead. You can see what I’m talking about with the the ponds.

    Now, the one that’s on the far right, that’s facing the east. So, we call that Lake Sunrise.

    And then the one in the middle, which is all connected there, that’s Lake Laam. Are any of you familiar with Aana?

    Okay. Awana, one of the founders of Awana was Doc Lance Laam. Doc Laam. But he’s also instrumental at the beginning of New Mission. They started around the same time. And Awana, new tribes, same doctrine, same philosophy, just different targets. So, we’ve had, roots and and kinship with Aana for since its beginning. So, we named that for him. In fact, our big center in the middle of the property, we also call the Laam Center in honor of him. And then that little thing that right up there, we call that lake almost.

    There’s not much to it there, right?

    So now all the black ones, they are two-bedroom duplexes.

    The the slightly shaded gray ones are onebedroom duplexes. The yellow ones are three-bedroom independent or standalone single family homes for staff.

    The Laam Center: Independent and Assisted Living

    And then this area right above where the what you ever call that little light would be. Hey, that’s the RV park. And those two green buildings are for maintenance. Okay. Now, gonna rotate this. So, you can see we’re now going to talk about this section in the middle there.

    All that the light blue, the green, the lavender, and the red. It’s all connected as one building. And we call that the Laam center. Okay. So, a lot of times when people move into a duplex, we make it so that okay, it looks like it’s it’s brand new.

    They’re living in there. But if they struggle after a while thinking it’s we just don’t have either the energy to clean it or we can’t bend anymore to clean or finding it difficult to cook or we realize we’ve left the stove on three times this week or really difficult to do laundry.

    We have these. The blue section is for independent living. Okay? And people can move in there and they no longer have to worry about grocery shopping or cooking. We all do that. We have a dining hall for them. We have a commercial kitchen registered with the state of Florida Department of Health.

    “They no longer have to worry about grocery shopping or cooking. We do all that.”

    All right. We’ll do laundry. We clean rooms. Which is a great next step for people like it’s just difficult to live on their own anymore.

    Assisted Living and Nursing Care

    So we provide that. Now if after the independent living like they’re finding that they’re not managing their own medicine anymore like oh people will call up their daughter and say I think I’ve just taken my medicine for the second maybe the third time today I don’t remember because I didn’t think I took it but then I took it but then I think oh what was that and people get confused and they can’t handle that.

    That’s when we have this ALF there in green for people to move into. It’s a again registered with the state of Florida Department of Health and assisted living facility with all the regulations. We have a a nursing office to help oversee that with our nursing staff works to help these people. So they no long once they move into there again the room setup is almost identical. They still have the dining hall and all that. We still do the laundry, clean the rooms. Now, we oversee all their medicine. They’re not allowed to take it themselves anymore.

    We do that for them. They go to the nurse’s office, some people once a day, some people twice when their needs are, their medicine gets handed to them in a little cup. So, the nurse makes sure that that they take it, right?

    And then they also make the doctor’s appointments for them. And when people need, it’s like what, they’re struggling. They can’t get. Well, we’ll drive them to the doctor’s offices and our nurse will go in with them to hear what the doctor is saying if they don’t have family that can do that.

    So, we’re really seeking to help them. Now, if they need more than that, if they if they need only a temporary help with what we call TDL’s, tasks of daily living, we can help with that on a temporary basis. It’s like, oh, I I can’t get this shirt on or I don’t how I can’t button this. Usually I can, but today I’m struggling with my fingers.

    “We oversee all their medicine. They go to the nurse’s office and the nurse makes sure they take it.”

    Staffing Challenges

    Fine, we’ll help there. We can even help temporarily in a shower situation. But if somebody needs that continuously or permanently now, that’s when they need to move into a nursing home. We do not have that.

    It is a major struggle for us to just keep this place supplied with staff. It’s very difficult for us to get stateates staff because just like all the rest of us in our organization, we all live off of donations. Okay?

    None of us are paid a salary. That’s one reason why people like what was neutralized mission or ethnos 360 is that all the money that’s going gets donated goes to the missionary. They don’t take off 10, 15 or 20% for admin cost.

    So people really like that, but then they don’t have that extra money to give towards these sorts of things. So all of our missionaries overseas or stateates side, they all have to raise their own support, which is very then it’s difficult on the state side workers because a lot of churches aren’t real thrilled with that. They’re like, “Oh, that’s not a real missionary.”

    Well, we work together. And I’m going to explain to you at the end of this some notes I’ve put down for myself to also share with our staff that I work with who have like you need to be able to explain to your churches how we all work together and how much this is a team and how this is even aiding in the church planning work, right? But so we have the ALF there, then we have the admin sections where the we have an ALF administrator separate from me, the nursing office, some other stuff.

    And then eventually it was then it also then leads to the chapel. Now it was designed this way so that even if you’re up there in the in the north wing or the west wing and you’re coming you want to go to chapel which is just Tuesday and Friday mornings from 8 to 8:30. It’s like a 15minute devotions and some announcements and some songs and then prayers.

    Right? It’s not a church service. All of our residents, all of our staff, no, we’re not going to have our own church here. You go out and join a local church that’s we are here to support that we’re here to part of it that’s what we preach overseas we’re going to follow that here in the US as well so but during they want to come to chapel time and for some of the people that live in the Laam center there they may not see a lot of people outside of the Laam center unless they come to chapel some of them don’t walk very well anymore so but if they they can come all the way through that complex never have to go outside there’s carpet so they’re with their walker they’re fine and they can get there and get back again.

    “We are here to support the local church—you go out and join one. That’s what we preach overseas and follow here.”

    The Chapel and Community Life

    Now, that is the outside of our chapel.

    That was the last section of the building that was that was built. And there’s a covered area there, so people can drive up and let somebody out even in the rain, they can go inside and they’re fine. And we have besides our chapel services, which are Tuesday and Friday mornings, and we have a Tuesday night service. We also have memorials in there. We have weddings in there. We have lots of things that go on in there.

    “We have memorials, weddings, and chapel services—lots of things that go on in there.”

    Now, right outside of the ALF, we have a lounge area. So, when because when people live in the ALF, that room is like their world. They have their own bedroom in there. They have their own their furniture, they have their own separate bathroom, but then we provide this lounge area.

    You see there’s one on the far side and then closer to us here where they can meet with family or just sit down and relax or gather with other people. And the one on the left here, you can’t see it, but the wall that’s hidden and also has a piano there. And they have a little meeting in there every Thursday afternoon coming out and they sing songs, they talk about things, and they they clap if somebody sing if somebody had a birthday .

    A typical room there in the light center. See a couple loun a couple recliners, bed, desk, TV, and there’ll be said a also a dresser and a walk-in closet and then a a full bathroom.

    The Value of Volunteers

    Now, this is one of our volunteers.

    She’s not a staff member. She’s a volunteer and she and her husband are from Maine and they moved down to Florida and said she’s like, “Okay, how can I be involved in the Lord’s work?

    What can I do?” And apparently she went to she’s told us she’s gone to several places and they all said, “Nah, nah, nah.” One of our missionaries was at a church right near New Turn Newa Beach or Daytona Beach was speaking there and she heard about us and we’re like, “Oh, that sounds just what I’m looking for, a way to be able to serve.” And so she comes in on Wednesdays and works for the whole day cleaning rooms.

    She is such a blessing. Yes, she’s cleaning rooms and doing laundry and doing and cleaning bathrooms, but I’ll tell you the people that live in the rooms because we try to keep it the cleaners with the rooms consistent from week after week after week. So, the people that live there like they get to know her, they look forward to Lee coming and they they talk with her and we depend upon especially our housekeepers to also tell us how are they doing?

    Are they deteriorating at all? How’s their memory? How are their how’s their coordination, their balance? Because they’re going to see them in a more natural environment. We’ll see them in the hallways or we’ll see them in the dining room where they’re on the best behavior .

    So, here it’s a little more relaxed. And our housekeepers, they are they really connect with our residents.

    “Our housekeepers really connect with our residents. They listen to their stories.”

    They listen to their stories. Well, not only listening to their stories, but the residents are asking Lee, this is picture was taken during COVID, obviously. Oh, tell us about you. What’s your story? So, she started talking about her and her husband and well, he really wasn’t.

    He didn’t go to church. Yeah, he was a believer, but never had grown much in the Lord and so on and so forth. And she was really concerned. So, our folks started praying for him. Wasn’t too long before Lee’s husband started going to church and he’s got a a more consistent, stable walk with the Lord and he’s very supportive of what she’s doing there. It’s like, “Hey, great.

    The Struggle to Find Staff

    Thank you, Lord.” because he wants to use us wherever we’re at in the world. But we really, really appreciate Lee. And actually, if you go onto our website, not the one for Ethnos 360, but the one just for the homes, we have a little video there that we made just about her telling her story because we’re so appreciative for her.

    But you see, we need volunteers to come and do that because again, our staff is so small because we have trouble getting the staff. I have tr one of the things I do a lot is recruiting. That’s one of my big jobs as the director there trying to find new staff and new people.

    And we had a couple that came in sometime last year still with the mission. They’re no longer overseas. They were looking for a stateide ministry. And when I started talking about what was available and talked about the maintenance opportunities that he might be able to be involved in or this or that and I then I mentioned housekeeping and her eyes lit up I hope it’s like housekeeping clean.

    I love that. I was like, wow. It’s like wow. I just thought, “Yes, Lord. Thank you for answering my prayers. This is great.” She was so excited about it. She said, “Oh, that’s what I love to do. I just it’s how I like to serve.”

    And so, they were very excited. And then went back to the church and the church said, “Absolutely no way. We’re not paying you to do that. That’s not real missionary work.” Well, we think of ourselves as a team, but the church said, “No.”

    And so, they moved on. And our one of our co-directors of our kitchen, she’s tried to retire three times. She’s kept putting off because we can’t get a replacement for her. And our head of housekeeping, she is going part-time after December.

    This she’s going in, she just had her second knee replacement surgery. And again, I can’t find someone to to replace her.

    “She said, ‘That’s what I love to do. It’s how I like to serve.’ And the church said, ‘Absolutely no way.’”

    So, as much as possible, we also try to recruit volunteers from the local area, from local churches. The thing is so many churches I’m not I don’t know exactly how you function here but a lot of churches are very denominationally tied and especially in our area almost every church you find around you they’re all part of a particular denomination that has baptistic roots and is in the south. I guess that wasn’t a joke here.

    So I’ll move on quickly here. So but they’re really tied into that and we’re not a non we’re a non-denominational mission. Okay, we’re we were fundamental evangelical going out there brought people in from various backgrounds as long as a we’ve got the same ideals, same theology, let’s go do this work together, but we’re not tied to a specific denomination.

    So, a lot of the people in the area is like, well, they’re looking for something denominational but we’ve got a few that want to come in and volunteer and just say they feel it’s a privilege and honor to come and help us. And we like we are so grateful for them .

    Daily Life and Personalized Care

    So, moving on, here are two of our ladies waiting to go to lunch. They’re in the recliners. That’s in a big lounge area outside the dining hall.

    So, there’s one lounge outside the ALF.

    Residents and Their Stories

    Another lounge at that intersection of the light blue. Okay. And this is where they’re at. Bonnie, here you see there in the upper right. Yeah. Last January, she celebrated her 100th birthday. Okay. And she gets up, she dresses herself, she comes to to a meeting, she comes to chapel .

    Now she has to we have a special hearing fac apparatus for people in chapel have trouble hearing so they can put it on it’s amplified they hear it directly so if the batteries aren’t working you’ll be sitting in chap here doesn’t work doesn’t work Bonnie we’ll get you we’ll help you we’ll we’ll change the batteries but again she and her husband were in the mission then their kids are in the mission some of their grandchildren are in the mission so we’re glad to be able to serve her and everyone else. And this is a a breakfast meal and that’s up there coming right down. That’s one of our co-directors of the kitchen who’s retiring in April.

    But not everyone’s required to go to all the meals. They have to we want them to go to at least two meals. Their choice. They can go to all three. Breakfast and lunch, lunch and supper, breakfast, lunch, and supper or however they want.

    “Last January she celebrated her 100th birthday. She gets up, dresses herself, and comes to chapel.”

    But they really everyone’s required to come to the main meal at lunch. So we know what they’re getting. The the menus are all been approved by professional dietitian again under state of Florida.

    So we know what’s going on here. And you can’t see it but there’s a couple of cards on that table.

    If you see that plate which looks like it’s got toast on it near the front right behind it there’s looks like a pink card that’s up. Well that’s there’s a card for each person with their name on it and says do they like coffee? Do they like tea? Do they like sugar? Do they like a substitute for it? Do they what about salt and pepper?

    What are the various things? Oh, they don’t have dessert, but they have this.

    Or they can have a sugar-free cookie, but they can’t have it . So, again, we try to personalize it for our our residents. So, they’ve got what they need here.

    Susan’s Role and Kitchen Ministry

    We have, like I said, we’ve got that commercial kitchen in the back. And one of my favorite kitchen helpers, that’s my wife there.

    She has a full-time job working with the the headquarters since when we came back in 2011 she joined what was called the connection center and the connection center seeks to match people who are interested in serving in some way do I want to be a full-time career missionary what about short-term missions what about volunteer work about this what about training she’ll work with them for a while get them in the database and help them to figure out what it is they’re really looking for because sometimes people aren’t for and then gets them to the right person who will work with them for an application for career or short-term trips or whatever is necessary. Well, she does that. She can do her work remotely.

    So, when I was upstairs in the headquarters building as CEO, I’ll put another desk in my office and we were there together. And then when I moved to the homes, I put another desk in my office and she does remote work from there. Come to think of we were in the field and when I was principal she was school secretary when I was the field chair the field administrator she was a field secretary.

    “Susan works to match people interested in serving—figuring out what they’re really looking for.”

    We’ve been together a lot for a long time and not just as married people but we’re always together.

    Here are a couple of our elderly folks that are in their 80s couple here and working on some puzzles and things.

    Additional Amenities and the RV Park

    We have a beauty parlor that’s part of that admin section outside of the the ALF because it’s really nice for our elderly ladies who are feeling a bit down. They come in and one of our volunteers comes in to do their hair and they walk out and I’ll see them in the hallway go your hair looks so nice today and they just get big smile on their face and go oh yes thank you it’s so nice. So it’s nice to be able to have that for them to lift their spirits.

    We have an exercise room. We have a an exercise class daily.

    This is one side of our RV court. And then that’s just across the street from it. We set this up a number of years ago. In fact, this our whole property was built not only with new tribes, missionaries, but with volunteers.

    “Our whole property was built not only with New Tribes missionaries, but with volunteers.”

    And ever since then, we’ve had volunteers who come down every winter.

    They’re you think of them as snowbirds because they each come down to their RV.

    Royal Volunteers: Snowbirds Who Serve

    We call them royal volunteers, RVers.

    And they come down, some come down for just a couple weeks, some come down for a month or two. We’ve had some people there for four or five months.

    And while they’re there, there’s no charge. And we have a full sewer hookup, water hookup, electrical hookup, all they need. Plus our m one of our maintenance buildings, we built a clubhouse on the end for extra laundry facilities and extra showers and bathrooms.

    And just in case they happen to be one of those RVs that’s kind of on the small side and they like a little more room. But we really really depend on our volunteers because like I said, our staff is sort of small. So during the year, all we can do is maintain.

    Oh, this pipe burst. Let’s go fix it. Got to cut the grass. Not only every week in Florida, but during the summer, twice a week there’s a lot to to get done.

    “We really depend on our volunteers because our staff is small. During the year, all we can do is maintain.”

    Well, the volunteers come down during the winter and they help us get a lot done. For example, these are there’s a two different staff people there and the other four that are there in that picture are volunteers. We were having to re repave an entire road section, right?

    And they come help with that. We’ll also have to redo driveways and sidewalks, especially with some of the trees that were planted 25 and 30 years ago. Well, now their root systems are pushing up driveways and sidewalks, and those have got to get redone.

    While they’re doing that, some of the ladies are helping to clean houses, or clean inside or outside or do a a deep deep cleaning that, maybe, well, yeah, I’ve lived in my duplex for 12 years and I vacuum every day, but I’ve not done a deep cleaning in a long long time. So, our volunteers help with that. And then some volunteers also, some ladies are help with sewing.

    Others help a little bit in the kitchen. Some of our men they might, they don’t all work with concrete. We have some people that use their skills in in landscaping or electrician, electrical work or or plumbing or various things that we’ve got going on.

    These two volunteers are putting in brand new cabinets into a duplex. Now, when someone moves out of a duplex, they’ve been in and we’ve got a new missionary moving in. We figured for a lot of them, this may be the last house they’ll ever live in.

    So, we want it to be nice. So, we refurbish that house so it looks brand new for them when they come. So, they get tell them about their cabinets. They get to pick the choice of cabinet or color, what color they want the refrigerator, what color they want the walls to be repainted.

    We redo the floors. We check if the plumbing’s in still in good shape or does it need to be fixed in any way, the electrical, everything. So, by the time they move in, it looks new. And for a lot of our folks, this is the first and only new thing they’ve ever known owned new in their life.

    So, we think this is an important thing to do. Now, there is a movein fee that missionaries come in. So, to move into a duplex, which you are then allowed to live in for the rest of your life if you wish.

    Like for this coming year, it’ll be a $19,000 movein fee. And we use about half of that, a little more to refurbish the actual house we’re moving into, excuse me. And the rest of it is like long-term maintenance because we also have to replace like the roof on the LAM center and things like that on a regular basis.

    “For a lot of them, this may be the last house they’ll ever live in. So we want it to be nice.”

    And air conditioning is a something we’re always working with in Florida, right? But these two guys are volunteers are putting in new new cabinets.

    And this is just a picture of our staff and our residents one particular year getting outside should say hey here we are this is our group this is our family now that is our website and in the middle column the last one in the bottom that’s the story I told you about Lee our volunteer that comes there on Wednesdays that we have opportunity you want to come down we’ve got space we’ve got work for area now. We don’t usually have extra housing. We’re we’re filled all the usually most of the time we’re filled.

    So, if you want to come down for a period of time, it’s much easier if you have an RV. And again, we can schedule you in there. We also have reduced rates at a at the Comfort Inn, which is just a couple miles away. So, if you come down, you say Ednos 360, oh, the price gets cut.

    And if you’re actually coming to to Ethnos 360 some capacity the headquarters or the homes or something then we also subsidize the cost. So you the 1520 that comfort in would drop it down to 90 and then we would subsidize another 50. So it would only be $40 a night for you.

    So that is us now. Okay. Still have some time here.

    How the Homes Support the Global Mission

    Good. Not going over. Now, again, like I said, a lot of our staff struggle with how to explain this to their churches that this is a real ministry. It’s a vital ministry and it’s part of the team. So, I put this together to try to help them just understand okay, how do we fit into this worldwide church planning effort?

    How do we how are we supporting those people that are actually in the tribes? Well, well, first we enable second and third generation missionaries to remain on the field longer because former missionaries, that is their parents and or grandparents are cared for. We’ve had several several folks come to us and say, “I’ve not yet finished my tribal work.

    I’m still working on my translation. I’ve got another five or six years in the tribe. Thank you so much that mom and dad had a place to come to and I didn’t need to leave the field to help care for mom and dad.” Hey, we’re a team. We’re working together. We try to help when our new parents go out on the field.

    “We enable second and third generation missionaries to remain on the field longer because their parents are cared for.”

    Okay, here’s a lot of training about education and educating your children and homeschooling. And we’re going to provide homeschooling coordinators when you’re on the field to help you when you’re struggling. Oh, and we also provide language coordinate consultants on the field and literacy consultants and translation consultants.

    New Transmission is a big organization because we do all of it together. We we teach the people how to read and write in their own language. Well, first we create a written language for most of them because it’s not written.

    You have to take an oral language, learn it without a dictionary, all right, and put it down, create an alphabet, create the whole thing. Then we teach them literacy, how to read and write in their own language. And that’s very, very important because when we leave, we want to also be able to leave with a fully completed New Testament that they can read for themselves.

    We’ve ordained elders and they can teach each other and they can teach the people because we want that church to be selfun self-supporting self-unctioning self-perpetuating all of that like a regular New Testament church. So we working together and it’s like because we’re there others have been able to stay on the field longer.

    “We want that church to be self-supporting, self-functioning, self-perpetuating—like a regular New Testament church.”

    Secondly, the home fulfills a biblical mandate first set by the household of Stephanus for believers to minister to the saints, particularly by showing hospitality by providing for their needs, by attending and aiding God’s messengers. That’s not somebody you talk about a lot Stephanus or Stfanis, whatever. But Paul mentions him.

    It’s like he’s been doing a great job there and it’s like what, it’s a model that many have taken after. Third, we provide an additional retirement option so that low supported missionaries don’t need to quit the ministry to find a higher paying job in order to save up sufficient funds for for retirement. Say, what really?

    Well, one of our co-workers in, at the the retire or at the headquarters when I was there was working in, the connection center for a while, but with an IT background, it’s a bunch of IT skills. And he was thinking we’re doing okay, but man, I’m going to need a lot more for retirement. So, he quit because he could get a highpaying job as an IT specialist.

    Most IT people can get a real nice paying job. It’s like, “Oh, boy, we really needed him. We’re struggling.” Well now because we can hardly get any IT people there because they can get such nice jobs elsewhere, we’re having to hire secular IT people or Christian ones when we can find them to come on in.

    But now, instead of them living on 60 or $70,000 a year as their missionary support, we’re having to pay them $110,000 a year because that’s the salary they demand in order to work. It’s like would work so much better if churches would understand this IT guy really helps us and actually saves money in the long run as as we work together as a team. So actually that that he was a friend of mine but he left and and I was like well no I want a higher paying job. Sorry. Bye.

    Fourth. The homes fulfills a biblical mandate for believers to care for widows. And if you’ve ever read the New Testament, you’ll see that in lots of places there, Old Testament as well, by the way. Okay.

    Fifth, we advance the kingdom through prayer for missionaries and indigenous believers around the world. We have our prayer room. We have our prayer letters that we get from around the world. We have monthly prayer meetings. We have various different groups of meetings in their homes in prayer for what’s going on around the world. And not just for the missionaries for the indigenous works as well and believers there.

    Retirees Serving at Headquarters

    Six, the home supports missionaries in the field by providing additional workers are retirees for the home office in the following departments. See, just like we struggle to get enough staff, our headquarters, which is just two miles down the road, we call it the home office, they struggle to get enough workers, too.

    It’s like, oh man, they need more people to process these EFTs or these checks that come in or we need more people in it or some people, some churches have written and said, we need we we want magazines about this. We want handouts about this, this, and this, and that. It’s got to be put together.

    It’s got to be sent out. We’ve got all these different departments at work. So, some of our retirees, few hours each day, a few hours each week, go over and help work in the finance office. That’s we they do that.

    So, another full-time career staff person doesn’t have to come on staff to do that. We have those that work in the international ministries office. We have retirees working actually in home office maintenance like I said, two miles down the road.

    “Some of our retirees go over a few hours each week and help—so another full-time staff person doesn’t have to.”

    Some that are in our biblical resources group because of their expertise training what they’ve got. These guys are very theologically based. They try to tackle new issues or issues that are starting this is surfacing in the Christian church in America or the church in Germany and the Netherlands is not approaching this in the same way that the Latin American churches are like okay how can we work with this what the scripture has to say about this what’s the minimum we need to have here to be biblical in this so these guys function with that and also updating policies for us.

    We have retired missionaries that are still working on translating scriptures, but they’re doing it here from this country.

    We have those that are formatting scriptures for printing. Most printers in this country do not how know how to format for a tribal language.

    It’s sort of a niche little area. And so, but our people, especially those that are working with it, it’s like, okay, no, it doesn’t go this way, it goes that way. Well, does it make a difference? Well, yeah, if you spoke the language, you knew it made a difference.

    Hey, we have those that work in shipping, receiving, or producing materials.

    Training New Missionaries and Providing Rest

    And we also have because we’ve been around a long time, we can offer advice and perspective from seasoned, experienced missionaries. So again, just because someone’s retired down there, almost all of our retirees continue to help in some way. We’re helping in this way.

    So again because we’ve got we don’t have to have that as many staff people so we can get as keep as many on the field as we can, but we all work together. Now, a little later because we still have time, we’re going to see something about on the field as well. Okay.

    But seven, occasionally the homes provide skills training for new missionaries on their way to the field so they can be greater help on the field. What? Well, we have a guy who finished the training with Ethnos 360 out in Camden, Missouri and wrote to the leadership in Papu Nug Guina actually saying that he wanted to come out there and be part of their maintenance team to help that keep functioning.

    And they looked at what he had and what his skills were and thought, “Yeah, you got some of what we need, but you’re deficient in these two or three areas. Get more training and then come.” Well, if somebody’s just spent a couple years in Bible school and then two years in training in Missouri to be a missionary, so they’ve been four years out of the workforce, it’s kind of tough.

    They’re like, “Oh, now I’ve got to go get more training someplace else.” Well, instead he approached us, said, “I needed some he needed some more additional help in like electrical and some plumbing and some stuff.” what?

    We’ve got guys on our staff that do that, but we need help. So, he’s joined our staff for two to three years. He’s helping us do what we need to do and at the same time he’s learning from experienced people in those areas in which he was deficient so that he can be a greater help on the field.

    It’s great when these things work together like this. And eighth, when space is available, the homes offer a rest stop or weigh station for those missionaries who need respit or restoration or healing after returning from the field. And I’m sure you’ve all heard about or seen some missionaries come back from the field and they’re done in.

    They might have come through a very especially difficult spiritual time. They might have had some emotional or marriage struggles, struggles with the kids.

    Tribal work may have just exhausted them and they kept pushing and pushing and pushing themselves maybe beyond what they should have and now they’re burned out. So there’s times like what, we’ve got space. Come here. Let us help you with this.

    “When space is available, the homes offer a rest stop for missionaries who need respite or restoration.”

    It Takes a Team

    Okay. So, we work together. Well, I’d also like to show you a little video right now. And those guys will get it ready back there called It Takes a Team.

    And again, you don’t expect one You don’t expect the pastor to be preaching at the same time that he’s vacuuming and washing the windows and cutting the grass and teaching every Sunday school class and all adult classes and marriage classes and counseling. All at the same time. The church functions as a body.

    You work together. Well, we do, too. And I like to show this little thing here. Now, if you go ahead and click that two-sided arrow towards the right, it’ll do the whole thing. And then right. And then when you click that and go ahead and start This is how a lot of missionaries used to have to get to their trial by days worth of river travel.

    Before you minister.

    Awesome. Long long man. How?

    Road control system.

    Come inside.

    Come inside.

    Come inside.

    This plateau through he bring him long light.

    Yeah. Over the years, it’s been easy to see the teamwork that is needed to keep the church plants going out into out in the jungle. Yeah, there I mean we need we need schools, we need supply buyers, we need all these people airplane pilots, airplane mechanics, we need all these people to keep us in the jungle, including way back to the local church in the US. We need we have to have a team. Cannot do it without a team out here.

    That’s one of the things I’ve really enjoyed about being here is realizing that we’re a part of the process of bringing the Bible to people who have never heard the gospel. One of the I think biggest blessings we able to we were able to have this past year was getting to visit a Bible dedication for the Bido people and getting to see them receive the first copy of a New Testament in their own language and the excitement that they had there. That was really neat.

    We have a chance to educate the children of people from various different ministries from whether they’re directly on out in the bush themselves or they might be children of the pilots or NTMA personnel. They might be children of the medical personnel or those who are working with computers. And so we have that opportunity for ministry, but it’s been nice to be able to go out and actually visit the tribes directly.

    “We need all these people to keep us in the jungle, including way back to the local church in the US. Cannot do it without a team.”

    Often times when we pray, we thank God.

    Like the God thing. Just thank you for the opportunity to teach in such a wonderful place and really be a lifelong impact like the word of God like going out that’s going to last forever. It’s not something what else could you spend your life doing where it’s going to last. That’s the school where we used to I used to be the principal of.

    This coming year in the high school, we’re looking at needing a core high school English teacher, a core high school science teacher, ma upper level math teacher. Next year, we need teachers for kindergarten, third grade, fourth grade, and fifth grade. Those teachers are all going to be going on a year of home assignment.

    And at this point, we don’t have anyone to cover for those classes. So, in the worst case scenario, we might have to close those classes. This year, we actually don’t have a sixth grade class since we didn’t have enough teachers, but we really trust the Lord to send enough people to come and teach at New Manoy Christian Academy.

    The Name Change to Ethnos 360

    Am I still on? Okay, good. The first guy that talked there, Mark, he actually came to our school and taught as an associate missionary and his wife was one of our students that I taught and Susan taught in school, right?

    So, it’s interesting. He’s like, “Oh, not only did we see our students come back, we saw their kids start coming back, too.” It’s like, okay, I guess we have gotten a bit older seeing these generations come back and or somebody that you taught as a kid.

    Oh, now they come back as your coworker. That that’s really interesting. Now, in case you’re wondering what’s it he’s talking about, new transmission, Ethnos 360 in 2006, new transmission basically divided into its component parts.

    So, each of the entities were were on their own. So the USA, Canada, the UK, Germany, Brazil, Colombia, Venezuela, over in the South Pac in the Pacific in Africa, each one became independent, but we all work together following this global ministries agreement. But then at the same time over the years, some of them have been changed their name. So it doesn’t it didn’t work to call ourselves new transmission international.

    And in fact here in the USA some of our missionaries are also struggling to get the visas they needed into certain countries.

    Not every country is as open as Papa New Guinea is. And so can you imagine you’re all ready to go to a country and it’s it’s not in it’s not completely closed but they’re not particularly friendly towards Christians and Christian missionaries. And you apply and you you’re you’re every time you apply for visa you have to say who your employer is if your employer is new tribes mission well I think you’ve just decreased your chances of some mid-level bureaucrat who might not be so in favor it’s like denied okay so what for the sake of a name even though we all loved our name for the sake of a name and potentially not getting the gospel to someplace where it needs to go let’s change the name and some people struggled with that because they had grown up with that name for so long.

    But a rose by any name would smell as sweet. Even Shakespeare said that. So, let’s go ahead and change it. And the name we picked, ethnos, it’s from, you’ll find that in Matthew and the great commission where the gospel needs to go to every tribe, tongue, language, and nation.

    Okay, that’s the word ethnos or ethne the plural for nations. Okay, we thought, well, let’s see. We want to get to all the nations around the world. We don’t why use English? Let’s use the Greek and 360 with the idea of the whole world around. So that’s what we use.

    “Ethnos—from Matthew’s Great Commission—the gospel needs to go to every tribe, tongue, language, and nation. 360 for the whole world.”

    Now some countries like Papa New Guinea, they still call themselves new transmission Papa New Guinea. Other ones have taken other names. Some others like Germany, no, they like that ethnos name. So they’re ethnos 360 Germany.

    Canada, they didn’t want the 360.

    They’re just ethnos in Canada. So it it varies around. And then some have names like the ones in Africa. Integrated vision but in French and I can’t pronounce it.

    So, that’s where all the the difference in the naming come from. But we’ve been Ethnos 360. And by the way, there’s no space between the Ethnos and the 360 360. It’s one word. There we’ve been Ethnos 360 now since 2017.

    Questions and Answers

    So, in the last I was going to say the last two minutes, but according to that, there’s no last two minutes. If you have any questions about anything, anybody have a question they’re dying to ask that they know everybody else would want to know the answer to. Yes.

    Well, like I said, we were in Papa New Guinea for 26 years. So that little video, that last one I just showed, that was put together by folks still in Papa New Guinea about their work. So, no I we weren’t not there. We were that was the country we were in for many years. But we are Susan and I myself we are in Florida overseeing the retirement homes.

    Oh, the pictures we showed of Florida is where we’re at.

    Yes.

    Well, that’s more of what happens on the field, right? But we have a our Bible school is where most of our missionaries start their training. It’s not just an academic program. It’s a very integrated program.

    All the mi all the students there also get advisors and mentors that they work through through the two years there. Then when they go to our missionary train institute in Camden, Missouri again as individuals and as couples they work with mentors there besides all the classes that they’re taking. So we have that missionaries on the field. We have consultants and they help each other in the tribes as their church planning.

    Okay. They’re also going to be trying they one of the biggest jobs of a missionary after he has believers is discipling those believers meeting with them teaching them which is one of the reasons why our language program or missionaries first go in. It could take them anywhere from three to five years. Three is really fast to not only learn the language but the culture because if you don’t learn the culture, you don’t know the language. Okay, computers can’t do that. Our folks go out there and oh, so how do you chop down this this tree and turn it into tarot to eat? How do you go fishing?

    Let’s go on a pig hut at night with you ladies. Okay, in their house, how do you cook this? How do you do that? You live life with people, okay? Day by day. And during that you are also discipling.

    Okay. So do we have a formal disciplehip pro process with a curriculum? No. But we have life on life with people.

    Oh yeah. I mean, we don’t specifically teach on child rearing or marriage principles, but we teach the scriptures. And they’re going to touch on all of that. And instead of telling people, you shouldn’t take a second wife. As they learn through the scriptures, like, oh, we’ve had tribal people come to our mission and say, I it was it’s about time for me to take a second wife here, but I’m wondering that doesn’t that might not be a good idea. Is it more I’m reading about scriptures, it’s seeming like that could be a problem.

    Let’s talk about it now. You give time for the Holy Spirit to teach people to bring things to their their thoughts and their remembrance and like, okay, let’s talk about it when the time is right instead of forcing it on. But again, that’s life on life with people.

    “You give time for the Holy Spirit to teach people, bring things to their remembrance—that’s life on life.”

    Yes.

    Two questions. One had to do with My thought is the age of the people and you mentioned medication.

    How does that how does that work? Are they receiving Medicare or Well, in order to live in the homes, one of our requirements is you have to have health coverage. So, for most people that are over 65, that means they have Medicare.

    Okay? And we no longer have any missionaries that had opted out of social security. That was an option back in the long time ago when Sus and I came in in the mid 80s. It was an option, but they were advising all of us not to opt out.

    So, we didn’t. So, all the missionaries we have now, they’re all in Social Security and they all have Medicare and they go to see doctors. We don’t provide doctors, but we’ll take people to doctor’s appointments.

    And if they’re in the assisted living facility, then we also manage their medication for them under a doctor’s prescription or orders.

    Yeah. My other question is that I can’t help I just thinking about Jesus fed the 5,000 fed the 3,000 yet at the time when the disciples gathered together people were gathered in the room.

    What I’m trying to say is that because I worked for the state, I worked in the prison system, is that I always found that you you’ll get a whole lot of people that will come in this idea of Christ. But it’s because they’re getting Yeah. I think what you’re referring to is it was called several decades ago, especially in China, rice Christians.

    People who would come to the teaching because they were handing out rice or other things. All right? And you can do that in any country of the world.

    You hand out things and people will come. We’ve heard of preachers who have been to various rallies and ministries and the way they talk and what they promise and they can get 20 30,000 people all raise their hand and they write report back to America. We had 30,000 people saved tonight.

    It’s like, well, I’ll ask you how many of them show up a week later after they’ve gotten what they wanted. So you don’t you we do seek to meet needs. For example, when our tribe when our people move into tribes, they also have gotten some medical training which a lot of the people don’t have access to.

    So yes, they will bind wounds, they will treat infections, they will sometimes set bones. When people are in a machete fight with each other there’s a lot of stuff they have to do. And sometimes they arrange for planes to come in and take people out to save their life. Even if they can’t afford at the mission, they’ll pay for it. So, we’ll do that.

    And that’s one way to also make people open to hearing this message because you’ve shown that you’ve cared about them. But we don’t set up little American churches. We we want the people when we’re gone to be s self- sustaining.

    So they still grow their gardens and they don’t we don’t build churches with American supplies. They build their their churches or church buildings if they’re going to have them with the supplies that they would normally use where they’re at in the jungle. So, I mean, you have to be careful there.

    You want to meet needs, but you’d also don’t want to create a dependency. So, I understand what you’re talking about, but it’s a difficult balance at times. Yeah. Okay.

    “You want to meet needs, but you don’t want to create a dependency. It’s a difficult balance at times.”

    Closing Prayer

    If you have other questions for me, I’ll be back there with you during the the break time and then or afterwards, please come and see me. Let me pray.

    Lord, again, we thank you for who you are. We thank you for what you provided.

    Lord, we thank you first and foremost for our own salvation, for you reaching out to us, for giving us the faith to believe, right, and all that Jesus has done for us. Lord, we just pray that you continue to guide and bless this day now, Lord. The fellowship time, the the preaching of your word and the the the lunchon afterwards. Lord, we praise you. We just lift up you in Jesus name. Amen.